I like that idea a lot. Instead of people doing long rants (and probably not being noticed if it's a long thread), they can tally up how many support versus how many do not.

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I support the no support c:

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I support the no support. It'd stop a lot of long rants that could potentially get offensive, like one that happened not so long ago.

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Tau: Exactly!
Kraft: lol good one!

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Ajabu: Yep! Sorry I was typing while you were posting ^.^

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I Agree

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Thank you Storm!

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- raises a paw -
I Pledge My Full Support

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Thanks Yllanna!

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This was once suggested, and there were rather many thoughts against it.
I will list you a few:

1. A positive feedback doesnt exactly change your views of a generally good idea, and you will still read it. However if there are many 'No support' votes, people will just look at the count and will think of the idea negatively already, not giving it a chance at all, or will read it already with a negative point. Even if the idea is good in general, it can quickly be destroyed by just the negative votes.

2. Trolls and bullies will go about and vote negatively against ideas they dont even read or start picking on specific users and basically destroy their chances to have their ideas accepted. I know trolls are everywhere, but let's not give power into their 'paws' here.

3. The devs put in the 'support' button to see which ideas are the most popular and how many would accept them, wanting to see which ones are liked and need to be considered, and NOT which ones are not liked. Those simply dont have as many supports is all.

4. The 'Support' button already took away the majority of the comments, many dont even tell us why they like the idea and what they like about it, simply press the support button. Now, the 'No Support' button would do the exact same thing. No one will comment what they dont like about the idea and why, cutting communication between the author and the community. The author might never have the chance to know why the people dont like their idea, leaving them wondering. They cant fix it because it is easier to press the 'No Support' button, than giving a review of why you dont support it.

5. Many in the other thread complained that supporters dont have to comment, while non-supporters have to expose themselves and comment, making shy members back away from it. Well, if you are a shy person, then simply dont support the idea, and no need to comment. There ya go, one less support for the idea.

6. Non-supporting comments are needed for communication. Maybe you dont like an idea or dont understand it, then you comment and the author can explain it to you or even go as far as convincing you why the idea would be in the benefit of the game. This communication would be lost between the author and the community.

7. As for the lack of comments, no one who supports needs to truly comment and repeat what the author wrote in the first post... That would be like a broken record, always saying the same. However as non-supporter you have to point out the flaw in the idea, explain your own points to the author and the community, prove them why it isnt good for the game. If you just press a button, the devs wont know why you thought the idea is bad. Because the devs do look at the negative critique and consider them, this way they see why the idea would be bad and can make changes. If these comments lack because of the 'No Support' button, then they cant truly use these 'No Supports' for anything. They need your exact feedback why you think the idea isnt suitable.

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Thanks for opinion Axel! That makes sense but I still like this idea:)

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I don't even know how to make the support button. Lmao

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This would make things easier and would end the rants, besides this would be good to diferenciate the " I dont suport" from "i dont read the post" or "i am neutral" from the "i am to lazy to vote" XD

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I sort of support this.

My issue is once you click 'support' you HAVE to support the idea. Maybe a 'oops I didn't mean to support this' button would be nice.

I've made this mistake once and am all "oops" XD

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I'd like to bump up this old thing to see if more people support it. I was about to create a thread on the subject too, but I spotted this one when searching through the forums.

I'd also like to counter some points made by Axel, just for the sake of clearing things up:

1. This... doesn't really seem accurate? A lot of support votes may make people think something is a good idea, just like a lot of 'No support' votes might make a person think something is a bad idea. Bottomline, people who don't want to read will not read, regardless of the votes. I don't know why you seem to assume positive votes will not affect anyone's judgement, but negative ones surely will.

2. So that's one, two negative votes from a bully at most? I'm sure the support system is "abused" in a similar way, where a user's friends might give a vote (or two) from their accounts to support a cause they didn't bother to read up on. You could argue it's less hurtful to the person who made the idea, but it's still mean to other users who's threads recieve less votes.

3. Ideas that don't get many views also don't have many supports. The point of the 'no support' button is to distinquish those that might not be viewed often, and those that are viewed but have features that are unwanted. This helps see which ones need to be considered, and which ones do not. I don't see how it's got a negative impact at all.

4. That's because people like staying anonimous, and avoid getting dragged into what might become heated discussions. (Heated not necessarily meaning arguments, but just too much of a drag for them to deal with.) It's unfair for people who don't support not to have a way to anonymously do it, when people whos upport the idea have one. A lot of people have social anxiety, or as I mentioned, don't want to get involved with what they see as a heated environment. If a supporter can express their joy with out dragging attention to themselves, why can't a person who doesn't support? Why do we get singled out?

Those that want to leave comments will leave them regardless of the button. Those that don't want to leave comments will not leave them. I don't see what a button has to do with it. Yes, clicking "Support"/"No Support" is easier, but those that wanted to share their ideas will ultimately do so regardless of the button's presence. Those that just click "support" or "don't support" and don't comment probably had nothing to add to the matter in the first place, so their comments would be spam in the form of "i agree/disagree" at best, but with no further explanations.

5. Again, it's never fair to single one group out. I feel one of the reasons less people are willing to state reasons why they don't support the idea is that they don't want to be singled out. If they see other people don't support the idea, they might get a little more courage and freely express why they dislike it (leading to more useful comments). We're humans. We're social beings. We need to have the feeling we fit in so that we can have security to act.

6. I agree, non-supporting comments are needed for communication. How ever, I do not see how a button would rid the entire game of communication. In fact, I think it would encourage more people to speak out on why they dislike ideas. Numbers give a sense of security. Seeing "21 people don't support this" is going to give someone a small confidence boost to post their dislikes, just like how seeing "300 people support this" gives incentive to say why you support it.

The fact someone wants to use this button doesn't mean they wont post, and the fact someone will use it with out posting is not a bad thing. You wouldn't be getting more people who don't speak, you'd be seeing more voices that usually aren't heard anyway. But that does not make those voices less important. That's why the "support" button exists too, I think. A mod could easily go through the pages and see the responces, but the support button gives a voice to those that might not otherwise be heard.

7. I disagree with this too. If you support the idea, there's absolutely need to state why you support it just like there is for a lack of support. It shows whether you understood (and actually read) the initial post, and maybe you can add an idea of your own to expand it.

Using your own logic, if you just press a button, the devs wont know why you thought the idea is good either. Maybe you saw a way to exploit it for your own cause? Who knows! They need exact feedback why you think the idea is suitable too. But did the "support" button take it away? I don't think so; because I still see many people happily commenting on why they like ideas. The killing lioness idea, for example. Lots of people showed their love (and hate) for the idea there.

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