Posted by Retired kings under 16 stay alive as sub-males

Skulleh[LDC][LL] (#23147)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 06:26:31
One thing I don't understand, is that when you retire early... your lion actually /dies/? I think it'd be nice if you could keep your previous king alive, in your pride as a sub-male if you choose to retire early. That way, you can still get a few years with them being alive.

Also, what if you decide AFTER retiring that you'd rather have your old king back, such as if you didn't realize that your lion's level and impression would reset? You could retire this new king and re-place your old king as your heir, and you'd have him back.

Plus it'd be nice for pride stories, such as one lion stepping down and passing kingship onto the next male, but still living. I just find it kinda sad that your old lion actually /dies/ when you retire him. I mean, when an old person IRL 'retires', it doesn't mean that they die, right?



This suggestion has 116 supports and 38 NO supports.



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Skulleh[LDC][LL] (#23147)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 07:55:20
How? How would it ruin the economy? How would it break the stat gaining? It wouldn't.

Your king would be JUST like any other sub-male. No different except for level, maybe impression. That's /it/.

And you can't cheat because, any older male made king would be reset to age 8, so you wouldn't just be able to 'train your old king and retire the new one for free', you'd still have to wait a pretty damn long time and by then your old king will be dead or too old anyway.

Plus, subs that have been king before will NOT age down when made king, even if they're above 8. ._.



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StarrieSkye ~DDA~ (#18496)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 07:58:31
No support for reasons already listed by Cat and Natasha








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Castelau
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Posted on
2014-08-17 08:01:06
Let me give you an example then.
I retire my main male. He has 2k stats now and ages down to 8 years old.
I train him until he's 14 years and 11 months, putting on another 1000 stats to him minimum. Then I retire and make him king again.
Now my male has 3k stats and I can repeat this at will until I end up with a lion who has 6k, 10k, maybe even 50k stats if I pour enough time and GB into it!
This would ruin the stat changes that have been done and would essentially benefit the players who have 100+ GB to spend at will.
Hence no support.



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Tony Stark (Iron
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2014-08-17 08:05:06
Lioden wants to try and keep it just like lions in real life so, sorry but no support that would make it very unrealistic. A new king would kill the old one, not keep him in the pride, he also would kill the cubs of the king before, which we are lucky that isn't a factor in the game.



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Edited on 17/08/14 by Tony Stark (#31959)

Skulleh[LDC][LL] (#23147)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 08:16:37
Natasha, did you even LISTEN to what I just said??

"I retire my main male. He has 2k stats now and ages down to 8 years old.
I train him until he's 14 years and 11 months, putting on another 1000 stats to him minimum. Then I retire and make him king again.
Now my male has 3k stats and I can repeat this at will until I end up with a lion who has 6k, 10k, maybe even 50k stats if I pour enough time and GB into it!"

As I said, your king will NOT age down! SO now, he will NOT age down to eight after you retire and re-throne him.

When you retire your current king, let's call him king 1, he will stay the EXACT SAME AGE as he was when he retired, and will age normally just like any other lion.

The king you REPLACE him with, king 2, will age down to 8. This means, you will still have to WAIT a long time before making King 1 king again, or pay 15 GB to do it. It'd take a few in-game years to get 1,000 stats, anyway.

So, let's say you retire King 2 and place King 1 as your heir. King 1 will become king again, but no matter WHAT age he is, he will STAY that age and will NOT age down. He also won't gain stats just from being made king.

Okay, so, let's say you wait. You retire King 1, and King 2 is your new king. He was 10, but aged down to 8. You decide to wait until he is 16 to retire him for free.

Let's say King 1 was 8 when he retired. By the time King 2 is old enough to retire, King 1 will ALSO be 16. No matter what age he was at retirement, he will still be old.

Okay, so, King 2 reaches the age of 16, you retire him for free and place King 1 back on the throne. Let's say he is 15 years old now. Yeah, he coulda gained stats, but he's gonna die in ONE year because he doesn't age down since he was king before.

NOW do you get what I mean?



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Castelau
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Posted on
2014-08-17 08:18:49
Yes I did listen to what you said. I think you need to settle down Tzoran.
The idea is flawed and that is that.



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Skulleh[LDC][LL] (#23147)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 08:33:22
But you won't give me a legitimate reason which is why I'm getting annoyed, you're making 'reasons' that completely contradict what I've said in my idea. ._.



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Castelau
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Posted on
2014-08-17 08:37:33
We have given you a legitimate reason and you are not paying attention, that is all.



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Elphaba-Fabala-Elphi
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Posted on
2014-08-17 08:38:39
Then maybe, if this was implemented, it should be impossible for the old king to take over? He could have sustained a would which means he's not fit to be king?



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Elphaba-Fabala-Elphi
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Posted on
2014-08-17 08:39:19
Which would pretty much sort out all of the problems you have stated ^^



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Skulleh[LDC][LL] (#23147)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 10:07:54
Natasha, your 'legitimate reasons' were all debunked by what I just explained.



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Ghost (Was Mizu) (#22894)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 11:08:25
No support, at all. Sorry, this is just a silly idea.



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equinox 🌙 (#20071)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 11:14:09


No support.

It's a very flawed idea. Your attempts to back it up aren't very well thought-out :/

As many other people have mentioned, in real life, a pride's previous king would hardly stay around in a pride he was beat out of, even if he wasn't killed. Yes, YOU may not run your pride realistically, but Lioden DOES try to stick to realism when it comes to pride dynamics.

Every suggestion you make, whenever people don't agree with it, you tend to get aggressive or irrationally upset.

Also, I don't think Natasha's reasons were debunked by anything you said, really. What would be the point of having your old king as a submale, anyway? A little nostalgic reminder? That's what the king dynasties are for. I mean, he's going to die anyway, so what does it matter?




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Sootsprite (#28010)

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Posted on
2014-08-17 11:23:15
I have read everything here and its a no support from me . You arent reading and analyzing whats said by others .

Natasha is in fact, correct .
Lets say someone makes a 3 year old lion king with 600 stats . With leveling and such and maybe a few egg yolks, when he's retired at age 12 with 800 stats . Since he's only 12, he stays in the pride . The cooldown until males can retire for 10 GB again is only 30 days, the player decides to keep and stat said lion until the cool down is gone and said lion ends up 1000 stats . The male is reused and therefore deaged back down to 8 years old with 1000 stats . If they plan correctly, they can continue to do this, over and over again and as Nat said end up with 10k + stats !

Also, lions fight for leadership . The former lead role is then kicked out of the pride .




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Vapor the Fluffy
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Posted on
2014-08-17 11:32:02
Also, what if you decide AFTER retiring that you'd rather have your old king back, such as if you didn't realize that your lion's level and impression would reset? You could retire this new king and re-place your old king as your heir, and you'd have him back.

From the first post. For reference.

For reasons already explained, in detail, in perfect English, no support :/ Sorry dear!

However, telling someone that their idea is "just silly" is a bit rude.

Edit: Also.. just because I rolled it around in my brain a bit.. If you wanted to continue "pride stories" just keep the look of your male when an heir takes over? o.O O.o Just saying.. I'm pretty sure that's why we have that option...



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