Posted by Submale challenge male in control

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Solstice (#20502)

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2013-12-17 06:52:02
Hi Everyone:)

I know this has been posted by Ice,in a long posting but i am not sure if this was a confrimed fact. The player wasn't 100% sure if this can happen in real life's pride unless i missed something.But i thought to reinstate that the fact is, it is possible for any lions to challenge a lion currently in control of a pride.
Since this is refering to the game i was thinking to maybe have pride submales challenge the main lion in control, for a chance to take over the pride.Tho the winnings will be rare but should get a chance at it.In return both lions should earn some skills or experience points out of the fight.
If the submale wins, he will become the main lion and we have the choice to chase or keep the defeated lion in our pride. With that been said realistically when two lions fight one main sustain serious injuries or even death.

Below is the site i picked the info from with the information on prides life

http://www.lionlamb.us/lion/lionfact.html

Pride Life
A pride of lions is a family structure. It consists typically of 4-20 females with their cubs, and typically, two or three males. The number of males in a pride can very from one to as many as seven. It is being found that two or males in the pride is the best situation for long-term survival. Two or more males will have more success in staving off takeover attempts by other males. Although a single male may only be able to hold a pride for an average of 18 months (With a lion generation being about 22 months), a group of several males may succeed in holding a pride for several years.

All of the females in a pride will be related to one another, and the young cubs are usually of the pride male(s).

Male(s) who wish to take over a pride will challenge the male(s) in control. One form this sometimes takes is a 'stare-down', where two males will sit a few feet apart, face-to-face, and stare at each other. The first one to break his stare is the 'loser'. This can go on for many hours. Eventually, most pride control power struggles end in some form of physical confrontation. Fights to the death occur occasionally, and many a male in his prime has fallen acquiring or defending a pride. Surviving losers often become nomads, and have to fend for themselves. They tend to lose weight, and scavenge more than they hunt as they grow older. However, it is not unknown for another lion to share their food with one of these old nomads. It is interesting to note that females outnumber males by a substantial margin in wild lion populations, even though the birth ratio is about 50 percent male/female. This is probably due to the tendency of males to be nomads, take on more dangerous game, and be killed in pride takeover attempts. Elderly males are often killed by other predators.

Any more suggestions to this posted or addition to improve it,please don't be shy to add.



This suggestion has 14 supports and 15 NO supports.



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Edited on 17/12/13 by Katanga Pride (#20502)

Axel (#6627)

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Posted on
2013-12-18 02:58:24
No support.

Mostly because you dont go into detail that much about how the overthrowing would happen. What does it depend on?
Stats? Then mostly the submale would surely beat the main lion because mostly they have bigger stats.

Not only that, but it would give way to frequent male swapping and super statting, breeding for stats would speed up.

Plus right now you can only retire a male lion before 15 if you pay 10GB. This early retirement fee would never be paid because you can just swap males at will.

At will, because mainly submales are better statted than main males on Lioden.



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2013-12-18 03:30:53
@Axel, i only have been on this game few month and not to familiar,tho i see your point,but what do you suggest, nayhting in mind?



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Axel (#6627)

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2013-12-18 04:37:30
I suggest that this idea isnt put in in any way. Since it would cause problems on the market, statting-wise and simply because submales have to wait for their turn or retire early for 10GB, supporting the site.



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Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-06-25 15:43:01
Support, would make realistic prides more easy



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2023-06-25 15:47:04
No support, incredibly easily abused.

Your kings getting old?
Challenge him, shove him on a side account until April.

You want more stats on your king?
Challenge him, patrol him, then challenge the king.

You just made your king "clean" via heritage replacing, but now want to sell the lion?
Challenge him, and sell the lion for more than its worth due to it being clean.

This is way too easily exploitable. "Force Retirement" via the 10GB option works the exact same way without the "lore" - you force your submale into the king role, whilst your kind is made into a "grandpa" and is essentially a fancy ornament to prevent these exploits. There is no need for this.

Also @Readytest - this idea is from 2013...



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Readytest (#431796)

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2023-06-25 15:55:11
" You just made your king "clean" via heritage replacing, but now want to sell the lion?
Challenge him, and sell the lion for more than its worth due to it being clean. "
- Fraekinn {7.6k Hexa Dawn Pie} (#57572)

The abuse can be prevented by not allowing the overthrown leader to be able to be traded off, if you chase him, he will appear as an ancestor in your king dynasty.

" "Force Retirement" via the 10GB option works the exact same way without the "lore" - you force your submale into the king role, whilst your kind is made into a "grandpa" and is essentially a fancy ornament to prevent these exploits. "
- Fraekinn {7.6k Hexa Dawn Pie} (#57572)

Yes, but that just keeps your previous king in a sort of purgatory as he cannot do anything for your pride, which someone may want. Btw it just immortalize him, and not everyone wants a "grandpaw".

" Also @Readytest - this idea is from 2013... "
- Fraekinn {7.6k Hexa Dawn Pie} (#57572)

It's not neceoposting in my eyes if the reply is on-topic.



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Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-06-25 16:01:49
More Add-ons:

- Either way, the overthrown leader would appear in the pride leader dynasty, just instead of "died at..." it would be "overthrown (and chased) at.... "
- If keeping the previous leader, they CANNOT be traded away.
- if you were to keep the overthrown leader, he will NOT be a grandpaw, instead, he would be a sub male instead.
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Fraekinn (#57572)


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2023-06-25 16:04:08
It's definitely necroposting, this thread is 10 years old.

You're also asking for a lot of code that simply couldn't be regulated - once a lion becomes a "submale" again it has the same coding as a lioness/submale, therefore can be sold/patrolled etc. Hence why Grandpaws were created so they had a different coding system.

You should be grateful Grandpaws exist; before your past king was just straight-up sent to the Dynasty. I think you need to play the game a little longer before you jump on suggestions like this; you'll begin to understand why things haven't been added from 10 years ago.



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Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-06-25 16:06:06
Well, at least a cooldown for him as if he was just a lioness you just claimed from explore



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frosty 🪶 (#229018)


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2023-06-25 16:07:15
No support - I agree with everything Fraekinn has said. It also just seems pretty useless, sure it may add more realism but it really doesn't change much other than potentially destroy the market if the feature gets exploited.



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