It looks like I'm the only one but I don't support this.

Whilst it is a nice idea, it just doesn't work in my mind. As you said, the markings already get spread anyway, I remember quite a few special markings ending up being quite common within a week. Besides that, since the 'Incident' where I was unfortunately blamed for, there have been more raffle lionesses with brand new markings. For example, this raffle lioness has vitiligo 3 just like last weeks.

Every week we get a brand new special lioness, a one of a kind in a way (depending on if there are new special markings or just a different combo of those we already have) and thats what makes them special to me. Sure, the new markings are amazing. I love the vit 3, but if I did win a raffle lioness, I'd like to be able to look at it and know she's unique as far as the raffle goes. To have multiple copies out there, she just wouldn't be that special anymore since she wouldn't be unique.

As to the cost of a special marking, and/or coat on a cub from a raffle lioness. Yes, it does cost a lot initially, but in the end they do end up being sold for a reasonable - or cheap - amount. Some even give them away for free or in their own mini raffles. I had a Cream Rims cub, where the marking is still rare, and compared to other prices I sold her for a low amount @ 1,000 SB.

You also mention fairness. Whilst after your idea, could, be put in it would be fair. However, would it be fair when we think about the past winners? No, because they have already sold their cubs for large amounts, and should your idea be put in those in the future would not be able to. At least it would be very, very unlikely. Is that fair? No.

As Kristall mentioned though, the raffle lioness could go to an inactive member, so maybe instead of your idea, the admins could do something where if the raffle lioness is close to running away, she could either be put back into the raffle or randomly given to someone else. That way there is no worrying about her just going to waste.

Another thing, everyone plays their game differently. Thats the great thing about this site. Just because you may want the markings getting out that bit faster, doesn't necessarily mean they should. Whilst I would not hoard a marking, I would not breed the raffle lioness until she reached level 20 and thus had some decent stats on her. That is how I'd like to play the game, and if there was just one winner for the week she had been in the raffle & she by some luck had a brand new special marking, then her cubs would still be valuable when they eventually go up for sale. It wouldn't be as if I'd limit the cubs to select people either. I've helped a lot of people as well, so its likely I'd even put on in a raffle of my own, etc.

By making more then one winner, especially with identical lionesses, it is in my opinion decreasing the value of the lioness as far as individuality goes, decreasing the value of future cubs as well, and technically being unfair as those before had only one person winning the lioness & thus able to take advantage of that.

Whilst I do want a way to stabilise the market, I really do, I'm not sure this is the way to go.

In the end, the special markings do get out there and everyone gets a chance at one. There are so many giveaways, raffles, and other helpers, that really this is only catering to those who aren't quite willing to wait just a little bit. Its only speeding up a process we already have.

I don't mean to offend anyone, nor incite any arguements, but this is just how I feel.

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As Kristall mentioned though, the raffle lioness could go to an inactive member, so maybe instead of your idea, the admins could do something where if the raffle lioness is close to running away, she could either be put back into the raffle or randomly given to someone else. That way there is no worrying about her just going to waste.
Just a note here:
When you are inactive (not logging in) your lions dont age, their hunger doesnt increase, their mood doesnt decrease... Thus this solution is out. A lion on an inactive account never gets close to running away.

You also mention fairness. Whilst after your idea, could, be put in it would be fair. However, would it be fair when we think about the past winners? No, because they have already sold their cubs for large amounts, and should your idea be put in those in the future would not be able to. At least it would be very, very unlikely. Is that fair? No.
There are a bunch of features brought in regularly that cannot be considered fair.
For example:

-The free hunting limit of 10/day. Is it fair to certain players? No. Because older players had infinite. Still was brought in. Now everyone okay with it and no one is complaining.

- 1 stat per hunt limit. Is it fair towards certain players? No. Because older players could get more stats. Still was brought in. Is about to be accepted by everyone.

- Feature of lions running off at certain values of hunger/mood. Is it fair towards certain players? No. Because so far no one had to make the effort to take care of them. Still was implemented. There was a tiny complaint, but it is accepted.

- Being able to buy back ran off lionesses. Is it fair towards certain players? No. because there are a bunch of players who lost their lionesses before this feature and they cannot bring them back unlike new run-offs. Still was brought in. No complaints.

It is the question about perspective really. Features are brought in to balance the game and fine-tune it. More raffle winners would indeed create a competition. People would be more pressed to sell quickly in order to get the most out of the high prices at first. You have to wait less. The special feel wont go away, the value wont drop, you just gotta sell it quicker than the rest. best for the market, for the players. Right now the huge value of the special marked and coated lions is this high because we are used to the monopoly at first. Later no one will remember that there was only 1 raffle lioness every week. People will forget, just like the infinite hunt or the time when lions didnt run off.

So, again, it is just the question of perspective.

...everyone plays their game differently.

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People would be more pressed to sell quickly in order to get the most out of the high prices at first. You have to wait less. The special feel wont go away, the value wont drop, you just gotta sell it quicker than the rest. best for the market, for the players. Right now the huge value of the special marked and coated lions is this high because we are used to the monopoly at first. Later no one will remember that there was only 1 raffle lioness every week. People will forget, just like the infinite hunt or the time when lions didnt run off.

First off, if people are more pressed to sell quickly, as you say, then the quality of lions will go down because if you sell cubs straight off the bat the stats will be poor. So instead of helping the market, it is just flooding it, again, with more low statted cubs.

Second, how can you say the special feeling won't go away? I just mentioned it would, for me, and I am sure it would for a lot of other people. You can't just make that claim for everyone. It would take away the feeling to know there are three to five exact copies out there. Due to that the value will drop. As soon as the first person sells cubs, it will decrease, so eventually each person that sells one will get less currency for theirs. For those who got the first cubs, they could probably afford aging crystals, aging stones, zebra hearts, and instant feathers, so within twenty four hours, more or less, there will be more cubs out there as well. It won't help the market, and decrease the value a lot more quickly then it is now. Therefore it isn't the best thing for the market, nor the players. I know it wouldn't be from my perspective.

They are this high because, intitially, they are special. They are one of a kind. Once, if, there are more then one raffle lioness a week they won't be as special as they are now. Again, decreasing the value. The more there is of something, the less it'll be worth to the market. We've seen this in the custom colours, and it'll only repeat with the specials if this is implemented. We may as well make the specials, customs.

Prices already go down as time passes. All this suggestion does is speed up the process. Its for those who, one reason or another, are impatient. What is the saying? 'Good things come to those who wait'.

I've waited since the beginning of the special raffle. For the special markings I do have I had to wait until the price of them settled down to a reasonable price, and you know what? To me it was worth it, because it made it extra special to know I waited for it, and to me on that cub, it looked perfect.

With all the giveaways and raffles, as well as other things, going on to give specials to everyone its not as if you have to wait long either once the marking is 'released'. Its still available for everyone. Why not just wait? Its far worth it in the end, and if you do, at least those who win the special lioness in the raffle can look at her and know she's unique. She's still special. Having copies will only decrease that.

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That's fine Bamon. You don't have to support it- there has been some ideas tossed in the comments about possibly having varying opacities or non-special marks on the lionesses as well, and I've loved how this month's event had new marks spread.

It is nice to know that you don't hoard marks, but there are a considerable number of players that will (given the chance). I understand that everyone plays differently, but this doesn't actually discourage gameplay. It promotes sharing a new mark as opposed to hoarding it, but there is still nothing to stop a player from keeping their raffle girl to themselves.

I've only started playing Lioden this past December, so I have no idea what "incident" you are referring to. However, using past raffles as a way to discourage fairness does not make sense to me. So previous players had the opportunity to hoard a mark and/or charge a lot for it- so what? Every player in the future is expected to do the same? I can't do anything about past results, except learn from them. So far I've learned that the current system heavily encourages greed and sometimes harassment of the winner. This should change. The game is still in beta, so there's no reason not to play around with new ideas or tweak old ones.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the possibility of actual unfairness that may occur as a result of this change. After all, one lioness could go to a fairly well-off player who can afford to jump straight into breeding her with a high-stat stud and an instant birth feather, giving a significant advantage over the other winners. This doesn't happen right now because there is no need to rush when there's only one winner, but when onyx came out? Even the maroon 4 marks just now? There were cubs within hours of being added to the game. Sadly, the maroon marks were harder to keep track of because the forums were down. This is still encouraging competition, which will quickly put the market in equilibrium, so I'm ok with that. -edit- just now realized that it took me so long to type this, that it was mentioned (sorry)

I would be ok with other ideas, but I don't want to keep the raffles as is. I loved this month's new implementation of markings (especially with maroon 4), and I'd be happy to see it completely replace the raffle. This is just a simple idea to tweak it to allow for more competition in the market.

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Greed is indeed a great drive to put people against this idea. I myself like sharing, I feel amazing when I can help someone or a game.

For most in the game, the 'value' of the special lionesses is measured not in their rarity but the GB they can sell them for. Not many think about how 'special' these lionesses are, but about for how much they can sell them off.

Those who are greedy easily shake off a suggestion like this, wanting to keep selling their special lions for 20+GB. Those who truly see the 'uniqueness' of these lions are in extreme minority. And in my opinion balancing the market somewhat is a far greater goal than keeping a special coat or marking rule the market for years. They need to lose significance... Custom markings and coats are the ones suffering from this all. I see no more demand for those money-bought coats anymore if your lion isnt high statted enough.

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I like helping myself, and I'm not greedy in any way what so ever. I see the uniqueness in the special lionesses, and this uniqueness will decrease with multiple copies available in the raffle. That is my point, hence why I refuse to support this idea. Whilst the market is in turmoil, this will not help in the slightest - at least to no effect that will help the custom colours & markings in any noticeable way. To say this will solve that is unrealistic.

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I didnt say that you are greedy, only that most players are and will not value the 'uniqueness' of a lioness, only its value in GB.

And it might not solve the problem with customs, but it will ease the gap. It will help spread the coats and markings 3x or 5x faster, reducing their value and their extreme monopol situation on the market. It wont solve it, but will ease it. And I think that at least trying and attempting is better than doing nothing and standing by to watch.

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Sadly, this probably won't completely fix the the custom/special gap, but hopefully it will help help some. You are also correct in that, initially, cubs bred from the raffle lady may have little/no regards to stats, but doesn't that happen now anyway? If it's a new special cub, it doesn't need high stats to fetch a high price... Initially the stats may be unimportant, but it won't take long for competition to demand better stats.

This isn't a matter of impatience. If it were just one new mark/coat over an extended length of time, then I wouldn't mind waiting at all, but there is something new almost every other week. There is not enough time for the market to calm down between each new mark- it's an everlasting frenzy! I doubt players would want to reduce the amount of new stuff they are getting, so I figured the best alternative would be to promote better competition. That way the market can reach an equilibrium before something new comes out again.

As far as special-ness goes... I'm sorry you feel that way. Exact duplicates would be easiest to implement, but there have been comments already suggestion varying opacities or non-special marks. I don't know how difficult that would be, so I've left it off the main post- it would be up to the admins to decide. Even if they were the same, I would still think they are plenty special simply because they are still the first with the marks. They are still unique to each player that is lucky enough to win them (I'd be stoked if I got one). Then they can be named whatever and/or given marking applicators, opacity changers, etc. to vary the appearance (should their new owner wish to do so). They may gain different stats, have a different hunting schedule to train- there's still ways a player can make the lioness special/unique for them. This doesn't seem like much of a reason to completely discard this idea.

Also- thank you, Axel. I don't know all the details about the previous game mechanics or what happened when the current ones were implemented. That was very insightful.

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I don't really support. I see what you are saying, but honestly, the way I see it, if lots of people win it takes the fun and specialness of winning away. The "special lionesses" are already getting kind of meh just because the market is insta-flooded with any new markings out there. Kind of like the same old story every time. If there is more than one winner, that makes it even less special to win.

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I understand. Some of the special marks have dropped a lot in value. I wouldn't want a lot of winners, just enough so there is some competition. I still think it would be beneficial to the market overall, but these things can be a little unpredictable sometimes. This is the best idea I can come up with to try to fix the raffle itself. Considering how well this month has gone (I love the new ideas for implementing the special marks- I think they worked quite well), I'm kinda hoping the raffle lioness will become a thing of the past... I would very much enjoy seeing new marks appear as some of the monthly events. Since the raffle still exists though... I would like to keep this idea up as a possible option.

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