Delete account is a useful feature, but as Axel said, it can be abused - so Id say, limit it to only being able to be deactivated after, say, a week from being created? Try out the game first kind of stuff.

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@axel:

There are ways to keep the abuse down or to illiminate it all together.

If the account is tied to your email, then there should be no possible way to get a re-roll. And if a person tries to get multiple accounts (more than 2) then the admins will most likely find them anyways due to all accounts coming from the same ip address. So that really isn't an issue.

Not only that but ip blocks can be added if you make too many accounts/deactivate too many times/delete too many times from the same ip address, etc.

And deactivating would mean blocking off trades/transfers, but not deleting the account entirely.

Maybe after x amount of time of deactivation the account gets deleted permentatly? Not sure.

But the deletion of accounts to me seems necessary. No point in having accounts that are completely inactive especially ones that are inactive for years. Might as well delete them and help out the servers. Might even help lag (maybe not, who knows.)

But I do line Mad's idea. Maybe deactivation or complete deletion initiated by the player can only be done after a weeks time?

And then after x amount of time of complete inactivity the account will get deleted. I actually am on a few websites that do account cleanings this way. If you don't log on after x amount of time consecutively then the account will be terminated.

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IP blocks are nowadays not quite the best way one can go about banning. Nowadays it is quite rare to find someone who doesnt share IP with someone else. I myself have a static IP which -according to what I experienced and what I was told by the provider- I am sharing with basically with hundreds of homes. So if someone from these people begins making and deactivating accounts and get IP banned, I go out right with them.

And who said they would use the same email? People are smart. If I was to do this, I would spam-create emails. It isnt hard.

And I was always iffy about deleting inactive accounts. PVP is part of the site and nowadays every newbie would be met with extra high statted lions on their levels. They would have no chance in PVP. This is why old inactive accounts come in handy. They can find them and battle them instead.

As for the week... Too short. 30 days would be more like it. But again.... what about those who break rules?

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@Axel:

I'm not too sure about that, because I'm not sure about how it works with my provider where I live.
And yes, they could use multiple emails, but again same address would be used.

There really is no 100% way to get people not to make multiple (more than the allowed) accounts and not lie about it. But sooner or later the liars get found out. I have seen it happen many times on other web browser games that I play and the players are banned with account permanently deleted.

Yes they could just make another but if the accounts were prominent (lots of SB, GB, special lions etc.) Most likely they wont get back on after losing so much.


The pvp system, I'm sure, is still being worked on since this is beta. But I'm not too worried.
Players are all the time retiring lions, and when you retire lions you start from level 1 no matter what. So to me, there really is no shortage of players to pvp for newbies, especially if we get new players who stay to play. There isn't a shortage since levels are constantly recycled.

As for the time limit.. i think maybe that would have to be something discussed by admins? maybe even tested out.. not sure. It honestly depends on admins since it is their game to let us play.

For those who break the rules then punishment is needed, no if ands or buts. They should be put through the process of rule breaking just like any other player. Warnings, or straight out bans and account deleting if necessary.

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About the PVP system: I disagree. Stats mean a lot there. Newbies start out with about 25 stats. Most lvl 1 lions however are way more than that. And it doesnt get better as they go up in levels.

About rule breakers: I was talking about those who already had warnings and maybe they were threatened that one more warning will be a ban. And they deactivate and delete their account, then make a new one.

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Stats have only recently started to mean something. You can still get a low statted male to higher stats by patrolling. Those who are serious about stats anyways, not really counting casual players who mostly like to play within their own prides.

With the stats added in level ups it help some. But it doesnt take much SB at all to get a decent 300-400 stat lion to replace a male. So there are ways for the 25 stat lion players to at least catch up to the "average" statted lions of lioden players.

If the stat gap doesnt get fixed a temporary fix (or permanent fix) would be to have a set number of NPC type "players" that stay at certain levels to be attacked/attack other players. Cool downs would still apply to these. But it would allow there to be something for lower levels to have a for sure "player" to pvp with, while still being able to delete extremely inactive accounts.

To me there really is no point to holding onto empty accounts that that just clutter the servers. But I do acknowledge that this is something that is going to need intensive thinking on since it involves more than just server cleaning.
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Again, it may be different in your area, but there are ways to permanently ban people from games. If they use the same address, or anything else, there are ways to put bans on these, so making multiple accounts from the same location, same email or not, would no longer be possible. The only way they would be able to join lioden ever again is if they literally went out their way to go to another persons house to use a computer there and make another account, with another email.

I don't think anyone would go that out of the way to make an account on a web browser game about lions..

If they were to be that passionate about getting back in game I'm sure they wouldnt have broken the rules in the first place.

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Some games automatically delete accounts that are inactive for more than 90 days.

It could work. Especially if an email would be send to warn the inactive player about it.

Every account with every lion/marking BG, etc, requires a ton of storage space for information and lines of code. If there are 10,000 inactive accounts, its eating up a lot of space that could be used for those who are actually playing the game regularly.

As for an account delete? Even if someone rerolled until they got what they wanted through deleting accounts, its not like they are breaking the game. Rolled lions dont offer much anyhow. You get maybe 3 marks and usually a natural base. The idea of rolling is to offer some incentive to improve your lion the further into the game you evolve.

The rolled system seems archaic though, as well as impersonal. It would be much more sensible to offer choices.
Mane Type: Scarce, Normal, Thick, Razor, Transvaal.
Mane Color: Yellow, White, Black, Brown, Beige.
Base: White, Golden, Cream, Brown, Black.
Eyes: Yellow, White, Green, Black, Brown.

Then offer maybe three open markings slots with five basic markings to choose from.

Body Markings: Heavy spotting, Spotting, Light spotting, Brown tail, Brown cover.

(The markings and colors are all examples of course)

Allow the player a basic customization when rolling. Perhaps with the ability to actually choose the way a lion looks would stop someone from multiple rerolls.

Then offer an option to delete the account if they so choose in a certain period of time as mentioned above.

I do see where Axel is concerned where there could be potential for cheating, multi accounting and such. Its already happening. There have been people who have used multiple accounts to get free stuff or use it to get around PM blocking. In the end, they get caught and get banned, like Vulpes said. We are not talking about super geniuses that can evade authority indefinitely.

However, for the sake of saving space, and freeing up old trades and so forth, this over all seems to be a very good idea.

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@Taergal:

Having some customization opportunities might stop the re-rolling scams, but it would be up to the admins on that issue.

This game has been around since 2012 and every player that has joined since then has had to roll for their lion. It would be a big change to the game in the sense of "tradition" type change.

I would support very limited customization. Meaning only markings, mane styles, eye colors, and bases that appear on NCLs. Since we all basically started with an NCL type male lion.

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Thats exactly what I was thinking Vulpes. What already exists in the "Roll" feature could exist in a "Build Your King" version as far as marks and manes and stuff. There could be some limits on to how much could be offered. NCL marks and bases would a good start.

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No offense or anything, but its not like there's really a "good" rolled king. They all start out with the same stats and the same types of colors and markings. People generally don't like them mostly because they're rolled to begin with. Its not like there's any real advantage from roll scamming. Its not like suddenly you'll be blessed with a perfect king...

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@Taergal:

I am really with your idea for limited customization!

@Whispermouse:

maybe so, but say you like thick mane more than you like barbary.

Its something that could help cut down the creation of more than the allowed amount of accounts. Because that's the reason people do it. There wasn't ANY choice involved. Whether or not they love the design or not. They would be content with it until they are ready to move onto something better, as is the point of the game.

Also, if you go back and read more of the comments you can see that there would be no "perfect king" in the supposed limited customization.

It would only include NCL markings, mane styles, eye colors, and base colors. And as I mentioned before it would keep players more content than not having any choice at all.

I feel this would indeed cut down on the re-roll scams and the creation of unecessary accounts.

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No I'm saying I don't see the problem with unlimited rerolls because ultimately, rolled lions have pretty much no value and are all about what individuals find more appealing, the lesser of two evils. Its not like they're rerolling to get a 1000+ statted sepia feline 3 onyx rosette king.

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There is a huge problem with re-rolling lions when it comes to newer players. People often create way more than the allowed accounts and try to get a lion that they are ok with.

And from the debate earlier in this thread it was being discussed that perhaps deleting or deactivating accounts would attribute to more re-rolling scams, which brought up the possible solution of very limited customization.

People will rather create 5+ accounts trying to find a NCL-type lion they are ok with than just keep the first roll and play the game. It doesn't matter if they know it won't result in a high-stat rare-marked lion.

Not only that but there are no "unlimited re-rolls." You get a total of 5 per account (10 total if you do all 5 rolls on each account).
Anymore than that and its to be assumed the player is opening more than the allowed accounts.

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Inactive accounts should never be permanently deleted, deactived sure, but not deleted.
Some people do come on after months and even years of inactivity and it's not fun to have your old progress lost just because you didn't play for a while.

I myself was inactive on Lioden for months, easily up to a year if not more. And it was nice to come back to see my old king and pride, some of which I even paid real money for.

And I have also played and been inactive on a site that did wipe your account if you were inactive for a number of months. Came back to a completely empty account, I paid real money for some of those pets and they were all gone. Logged out from the site and has never returned since and has no intentions of ever returning.
Logging on to an empty account that you know was full of pets you worked hard on and paid real money for was really really painful.

So I will never support deleting or wiping inactive accounts. People take breaks and hiatuses for a number of reasons and it's not fair to wipe their progress just because of inactivity.


Will I support deleting or deactivating your own account? Eh, don't really see any good reasons for it, but I'm not against it. I'm just meh about it.

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>.> Still missing my point. I'm arguing against the idea that using the deactivate/reactivate feature to get more rerolls isn't really a problem. Honestly I think we should have unlimited rerolls, if we don't go customizable to start off with instead. Its not like rerolling gives anyone a distinct advantage against another new player. They all start at the same level. Why should people get stuck with a lion they don't like? None of them are great, what's the harm in letting people pick the lesser of the evils.

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