Minimanta, I can see what you are saying about paying real money and having it wiped. That is frustrating, and if it were me, I would do everything in my power to make sure that it didnt ahppen.

However, its easy to log in once every few weeks to make sure the account does not get wiped. I have currently one other game I log into every few weeks to make sure t stays active. It takes 3 minutes of my time.

Its a rare case now days to be in a situation for more than a few days where someone cannot in any way access the internet from somewhere or some portable device.

All Im saying above is that it is something that other games use to keep space to a minimum. Lots of people create accounts, hang out for a few days then never come back. Without a guarantee that they will come back, servers can get very cluttered. A friendly reminder to come and check the account is always a good idea on the behalf of the game maker too. Plenty of games give a heads up to their players when the account is in danger of deletion.

Im in no way saying Lioden should do it, but in the long run, it may be a course that might need to be taken as the game grows.

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In my case I simply lost interest and then forgot about the site. As far as I remember there were no reminders sent to me.

I will always be against it no matter how good the arguments for it may be. I've experienced having an account wiped and it was not a pleasant experience.

I will be way less likely to join a site that has a feature like this and I will be way more likely to quit a site that implement it while I play it.
I do pay real money for stuff on sites I play on and if there's a risk I'll be losing what I bought with real money just because I'm not active then I simply won't play on the site.

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As painful as that was (and I imagined losing my own lions which hurts me very much) it was your choice to spend the money and time with them. And in a way it was your choice to lose interest/go on hiatus, etc.

Lioden does not send reminders because it does not yt have this type of system.

However for the deactivation perhaps there could be a box to check that says you will be returning and it is not a permanently deal.

Think of face book. When you deactivate your account you can still reactivate it, however ,I believe, after a 7 month period they will permanently delete the account.

I think that is more than enough time.

As Taergal said, it only takes a few minutes to log on and check. If lioden did have a 7 month grace period, you wouldnt have to do a daily log in if you truly wanted to take a long break from lioden.

To me it is unfair to try and put prejudice against sites that do account deletion when it is the players choice to invest time and real life money into the game. Especially since the sites would obviously state that in their TOS.

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And you are missing my point. It is not about having unlimited rolls or what the basic starter lion is worth. It is what the people are doing to get that basic lion, which is breaking the rules by creating useless accounts that clutter up the server by being completely inactive.

None of it has to do with lesser evils or what the lion is worth from the start. :/

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No, I get your point, your point simply isn't relevant to mine. I'm saying that I don't see the point in not allowing deactivating and reactivating accounts in order to get more re rolls if this feature was enabled. This has absolutely nothing to do with people creating extra accounts that aren't allowed. Giving them unlimited rerolls in the first place would solve the problem you're positing, but my point has nothing to do with it.

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No. It would not solve it because a roll. Unlimited or not, is still random and gives the player no choice but to settle. With the limited customization. They start with the basics but still get to choose.

Having unlimited rolls may ward people from the problem but it would not solve it. Because rolls are random and that randomization is what is causing the problem. Therefore it would be better to give more choice.

And your point is relevant to mine. Deactivating and deactivating to get different rolls is an abuse of the system. Which was my reasoning for giving choice.
That being said when you deactivate an deactivate from the same account you will have already had your rolls with a lion in place as your king. So there would be no new roll you would just be deactivating your account and deactivating to see the same Lions you had when you originally signed up the account.

And you wouldn't be able to use more than two emails to create accounts because that's against the rules.

So what you are trying to imply wouldn't work anyways. Because simply deactivating an account or deactivating it would not give you a chance to re roll.

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If you deactivate an account and the information is gone, no harm no foul. So what if you create a new account? That's the whole point. Getting rid of one to start another. Its not an abuse of the system. Its a loophole, sure, but there's no reason not to. There's literally no harm in a player rerolling to get a lion they like.

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No. There is a difference between deactivating and deleting.

And that is not the point of this. The point is to deactivate or delete accounts entirely to help clean the servers.

If you're going to delete your account just to make a new one then why delete the account in the first place.

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Total support! I wanna deactivate my side because I don't use it

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Oh wow. My mistype of a word has rendered my entire argument invalid. Let me clarify.
Me delete/deactivate account. (People have been debating whether information should be removed or not, lets go with the assumption that its deleted.) Me create new account. Me get five new rerolls. Literally no one is harmed. No server space is wasted. Me get lion I like.

If you don't want people doing this, give them unlimited rerolls instead of the five. There's no reason to limit it. Let them keep rerolling till they find one they like.

And its not the point. But it was brought up as a problem, people getting extra rerolls. For godsake though, who cares if the newbie wants another reroll because they don't like the one they got stuck with. It doesn't hurt anyone. What's the problem with it?

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The problem is all the accounts that are made unlawfully in the rules to get those rolls. Which is a big deal because it clutters up the sever. Which is the point of this suggestion.

And as I said before. The problem with that what chance and randomization. Give them choice and that solves the problem, not just subduing it for a time. This gives them no rolls because they won't need it because they get to chose what they want for a basic starter Lion :)

I don't see how that is hard to understand~

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'And in a way it was your choice to lose interest/go on hiatus, etc.'

So you're saying people with depression/end up losing net shouldn't have to not worry about their stuff?

I'm with the other poster in that there is no way I'd spend money on a site that would just get rid of my stuff. If something happened IRL it would be deviating to lose my stuff because of issues that probably were a kick in the face to begin with.

'To me it is unfair to try and put prejudice against sites that do account deletion when it is the players choice to invest time and real life money into the game. Especially since the sites would obviously state that in their TOS.'

I'd feel sorry for anyone who already spent money on this site then if implemented, since there was no reason to believe this would happen.

Also they say they don't have to reimburse yet they often do if GB is lost due to site stuff so yeah they don't have to care but they do.

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why is depression being brought into this? If a player has depression. Then they need to seek medical help outside of a video game.

And I said before. It is choice. Your choice to leave game. Your choice to pay when you play.
And as mentioned before if the site means a lot to you then taking time to log in every couple of weeks (not everydays if you need to be away) should not be difficult.

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Actually I suffer with depression, Ive tried all sorts and I would still get bouts of depression no matter what so YES Depression and other things DO come into it. Ive lost alot before because I got depressed and inactive, and because I lost stuff I got even more depressed, Ive almost killed myself twice in my life and im Only 15 and Depression is a massive role in everything I do, even this

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It doesnt matter how much anything means to you when you get to a certain point, sometimes you couldnt care less if something awful happened simply because your whole bodys numb and empty

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