Posted by "No Support" explanation dropdown

Before (#25066)

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Posted on
2015-10-12 02:50:28
Since the "no support" button has been added, I've noticed a lot of hard feelings about people pressing the "no support" button without explanation.

A potential way to fix this without completely removing the option is to add a dropdown box of potential reasons to the "no support" option.

Possible options for dropdown:
-Doesn't match theme of Lioden (This covers suggestions too unnatural for Lioden, for example)
-Makes game too difficult
-Makes game too easy
-Too much art/coding for too little purpose
-Changes core gameplay too much
-Needs more clarification (suggested by Poptart Feelzhands (#4675) )
-Reason stated in comments (with a potential ability to specify which comment)

EDIT:
Changed the wording on a couple of suggested options, and added mockups for how it'd look!

If you don't hit a button, or press "I Support!" it would look exactly the same as is now. After you hit "I DON'T Support!" though, this is what the opening post would look like at the bottom:
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Here's the full dropdown with my suggested options:
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Do you see that link, labelled "(Why?)"? That leads to a new page, detailing the responses of those who specified. The (Why?) button would be present regardless of which button you pressed, or whether you've supported/not supported at all:
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As you can see, if you choose "Reason stated in comments" it would allow you to choose which post on the topic you're referencing. I don't know how to mock that up, though. I was picturing by post number, but those aren't visible at the moment. I assume staff'd be able to figure something out though.

Responses to concerns:

"It sounds too complicated"
-I can't speak for the coding, but the way I was picturing it, it doesn't add too much to the interface.

"You shouldn't be required to explain yourself, it'll make it too complicated to not support vs. support"
-I initially believed it should be mandatory, but people have explained this pretty well. My new mockups show it as not mandatory, and as after the press of the "no support" button.

"People will still complain about getting "no support"s even after this is implemented"
-That is true. However, I do believe getting feedback from people who prefer to remain anonymous will be helpful to many suggesters, and knowing exactly what the userbase protests to would be helpful for the admins.

"The options are too generic"
-They have to be generic for this to work. Otherwise there'd be way too many options to be useful. But, you can still cite a particular comment if the other options are too generic for you.

"It'll discourage discussion"
-While it is possible it might, it was possible the inclusion of the "no support" button in the first place might have as well. If people have something to say, they will say it. This option is mainly for people who choose to remain anonymous.



This suggestion has 251 supports and 45 NO supports.



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Edited on 18/07/17 @ 16:40:14 by Before (#25066)

Icy (#2810)

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Posted on
2015-10-14 10:45:47
I don't support, due to the feeling we'd need even more explanations due to the dropdown list.

"Doesn't fit the style of LD"
User: BUT WHYYYY? -bawwws anyway-

I could also see someone saying "If you add reasons why you don't support, you should make a dropdown of reasons why you support" and then it'd just become a huge mass of lists. Too much. ;;

The more intensive and complicated things are made, the harder it will be for staff to make a decision or compromise based on these different feelings and reasons. The simpler it stays, with a "yes" or a "no", I think the easier it'd be to decipher what the users want versus what they don't want. As for the hurt feelings... If you don't want your feelings hurt, you shouldn't make a thread where people have the option of rejecting your idea publicly, but rather post about it in chat or something.



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CasualPessimist
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Posted on
2015-10-14 10:46:36
People support stuff without explaining just as much. It doesn't seem exactly fair to me to make one have a drop down menu but not the other.

Though, I mean, even if you did suggest a drop down menu for both, I probably still wouldn't support this. I definitely don't support making it required. First, it feels over-complicated, and some people may not even click "no support" just because they don't want to have to choose a reason. Second, even that wouldn't make some people happy. For example, you click "doesn't match the theme of Lioden," and then they'll freak out because they don't know why it doesn't match Lioden and get all up in a stir anyway.

I feel like you should be able to click no support and not be forced to give a reason. Maybe someone else in the thread already stated your reason, and you just don't want to sound repetitive. And, again, the same goes for supporting.



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Before (Side) (#25835)

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Posted on
2015-10-14 11:29:47
For the people not supporting because of it potentially being required:

Would it be better if the option only popped up after you hit the "I DON'T Support" button, and was optional? Something more like this? (forgot to re-add the "why" link, but it'd be there):
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And I realize this wouldn't completely eliminate people complaining about getting "no support"s. It's about allowing users to anonymously agree with a poster, or say why they don't support without outing themselves.



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🐶 FlipicusPup
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Posted on
2015-10-14 11:40:16
I support the most recent add on to this, it does not take very long to do, and has the bonus of being optional and anon.
I asked specifically for people to comment what was wrong with my suggestion (which was a tiny additional feature for one page, hardly game-changing, lol) and I believe some people clicked no support out of spite for me asking for suggestions, or dislike for myself, as the only comments I got were positive ones. It was baffling and I would've liked them to take the time to write out the issues they had, but I understand typing takes time, and is not anonymous, so is not good for everyone.
I think there should also be an optional drop-down box for supports, to help catagorize how people feel it would help game-play :) this would be useful fir the owners/mods to look at as well when considering a suggestion



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Edited on 14/10/15 @ 18:41:02 by K. (Gyar) (#22800)

Icy (#2810)

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Posted on
2015-10-14 13:49:41
I'm still not sure I would support, only because i'd be confused at the logistics of where the "reasons for or against" would go, who would get to see them, where it would be in relation to the thread, etc.. As well as my just loving a simple system.

You could probably do it poll style I guess, where the randomly chosen reasons could anonymously show up as a poll, but I still think this would make the thread just a little too busy for my taste. I like a good clean format in terms of a voting system, because most of my energy goes into reading out the idea the person has put forth. Having users go an extra mile (Even with the option not to give a reason, it's still an extra step) may make them lose interest or even not vote allotgether due to either not having their reason available for choosing or simply having too many options to choose from in the first place.

It's a good idea for those who like options, it just isn't for me. ^_^



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🐶 FlipicusPup
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2015-10-14 14:15:34
I think that if your option wasn't there then it would go under 'other' and you would comment it. I think it should be for topic starters only and mods to see, like the link that says edit post, and it would go to a page with a table and the numbers, called stats for suggestion:"thread name". It would only be used by the thread owner and mods because it is just statistical information to help them improve on an idea, or decide whether to approve it for the game.



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Seiden (#31503)

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Posted on
2015-10-15 01:42:45
I don't support.
"Support" and "no support" are just votes. You don't have to justify your vote.
If you want to justify it, you are free to do it in the comments, whatever if you're giving reasons to support or to not support.
But we should not have to explain....



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Muffinrowlet 🌸 (#37042)

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Posted on
2015-10-15 03:12:13
Seiden, you don't have to. It's not mandatory. It's for people who would want to give some kind of explaination, but wish to do so anonymously.

You only get the option after you pressed the no support button. You don't have to explain yourself if you don't want to.



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Seiden (#31503)

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Posted on
2015-10-15 16:32:05
If they want to give an explanation, they can leave a comment. Why should it be anonymous?
I don't see the use of it.



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Kraft (#738)

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Posted on
2015-10-15 16:37:06
I am not supporting.
My reasoning of this is that as a mature player base you should be able to take a direct 'No' as an answer.



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Isabella Lena (#49545)

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Posted on
2015-10-18 21:46:38
Support! This way you can make your toppic better. Because you can see why they do not support. :)



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Axel (#6627)

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Posted on
2015-10-18 21:57:56
@Kraft:
As a mature person, you can also just comment why you dont support something to make it easier for the author of the idea to find what is wrong with it, potentially correcting the idea or just convincing them that their idea should be deleted because it destroys balance, etc.

For those who say that 'they dont need an explanation':
It is not about the feelings of the author but the possibility to correct an idea or convincing either the author or they can explain and convince you. Communication is key everywhere. No site or human relationship can survive without it. An author will not feel lost about people clicking on the support button, because they know why. But they can feel lost and confused if people click on the no-support and dont explain why. How will they know what is wrong with it? How can they communicate with you and explain their idea in more depth. Or perhaps you misunderstood the idea? You guys dont know how many times people misunderstood mine, even though I thought it was clear as day.

Now with the buttons, I myself no longer care about the voting system. It lost its significance. Neither do I care about the no supports. 'Probably some kid downvoting because they have nothing better to do'. This is my thought on the comment-less no supports anywhere.

Anyway, since the feature was already implemented, despite the strong arguments against it, I might as well at least support this one.



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🐶 FlipicusPup
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Posted on
2015-10-18 22:29:51
@Seiden and Kraft, the problem is people refuse to leave any comments on suggestions and it doesn't make sense for them not to say 'hey, actually I think this idea is bad because X'
They do not because they are lazy or do not want to upset the creator of the idea, and this is a very quick and easy way for shy people to be heard without feeling bad about saying why not.
It is not a 'maturity' problem on the part of the creator sometimes, sometimes its a problem with the supporters or non supporters. I would like to have the drop-down box for both buttons, because sometimes its not clear why people like the idea either (at least to the mods and owners). I think people need to explain more for both, and this at least solves half the problem.



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Edited on 19/10/15 @ 05:30:44 by FlipicusPup |K. (Gyar) (#22800)

Poptart Feelzhands (#4675)

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Posted on
2015-10-30 08:58:36
I definitely support this. It bugs me a little when people just click the buttons and don't state why they are for or against it. Kinda leaves the OP lost on how to improve really. x: I think you should add an option in the drop down that says either "Do not understand the idea" or "Needs more clarification." I've seen so many people who have suggested great ideas but it was difficult to understand the post so I wouldn't want to support something I didn't fully understand. Then of course all you really need to do is add a comment specifying what didn't make sense. This option would just make the process simpler!



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Before (#25066)

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2015-10-30 09:24:53
@Poptart

Good idea! I'll add that to the opening post.



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