Posted by "No Support" explanation dropdown

Before (#25066)

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Posted on
2015-10-12 02:50:28
Since the "no support" button has been added, I've noticed a lot of hard feelings about people pressing the "no support" button without explanation.

A potential way to fix this without completely removing the option is to add a dropdown box of potential reasons to the "no support" option.

Possible options for dropdown:
-Doesn't match theme of Lioden (This covers suggestions too unnatural for Lioden, for example)
-Makes game too difficult
-Makes game too easy
-Too much art/coding for too little purpose
-Changes core gameplay too much
-Needs more clarification (suggested by Poptart Feelzhands (#4675) )
-Reason stated in comments (with a potential ability to specify which comment)

EDIT:
Changed the wording on a couple of suggested options, and added mockups for how it'd look!

If you don't hit a button, or press "I Support!" it would look exactly the same as is now. After you hit "I DON'T Support!" though, this is what the opening post would look like at the bottom:
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Here's the full dropdown with my suggested options:
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Do you see that link, labelled "(Why?)"? That leads to a new page, detailing the responses of those who specified. The (Why?) button would be present regardless of which button you pressed, or whether you've supported/not supported at all:
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As you can see, if you choose "Reason stated in comments" it would allow you to choose which post on the topic you're referencing. I don't know how to mock that up, though. I was picturing by post number, but those aren't visible at the moment. I assume staff'd be able to figure something out though.

Responses to concerns:

"It sounds too complicated"
-I can't speak for the coding, but the way I was picturing it, it doesn't add too much to the interface.

"You shouldn't be required to explain yourself, it'll make it too complicated to not support vs. support"
-I initially believed it should be mandatory, but people have explained this pretty well. My new mockups show it as not mandatory, and as after the press of the "no support" button.

"People will still complain about getting "no support"s even after this is implemented"
-That is true. However, I do believe getting feedback from people who prefer to remain anonymous will be helpful to many suggesters, and knowing exactly what the userbase protests to would be helpful for the admins.

"The options are too generic"
-They have to be generic for this to work. Otherwise there'd be way too many options to be useful. But, you can still cite a particular comment if the other options are too generic for you.

"It'll discourage discussion"
-While it is possible it might, it was possible the inclusion of the "no support" button in the first place might have as well. If people have something to say, they will say it. This option is mainly for people who choose to remain anonymous.



This suggestion has 251 supports and 45 NO supports.



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Edited on 18/07/17 @ 16:40:14 by Before (#25066)

xencorex (#37405)

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Posted on
2015-11-06 01:56:36



I have switched my vote to Support.
I think you have explained it a bit better and I like the visual now!





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Fart (#25392)

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Posted on
2015-11-09 03:02:54
I don't see this suggestion as doing much to assuage the hard feelings about those who click no support without commenting (especially if giving a reason for not supporting remains non-mandatory), nor do I see it as being an especially useful tool for improving your idea. The (by OP's admission, necessarily) generic drop-down options really aren't going to help someone revise their idea or attempt to strengthen their argument the way the discussion in this thread has helped OP to revise their idea. If it won't help people to improve their ideas or stop people from complaining, I don't see much point to it.



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theRavenflight🇵ðŸ
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Posted on
2015-11-10 01:32:44
Good idea!



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Nika Lizard (#76140)

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Posted on
2015-11-10 04:38:34
Another possibility - let the OP add custom options to the drop-down to make things less generic?



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Before (#25066)

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Posted on
2015-11-10 06:53:08
@Nika Lizard

Maybe. How many people would actually use that feature, though? Most people, it seems, when they suggest something, don't see the flaws at first, or any reason why people wouldn't support it. That might lead to sarcastic or otherwise insulting options for the dissent.

I do believe that the "Reasons stated in comments" fills the same purpose (to add options more specific to the topic at hand) without needing the topic creator to fully understand why people would not support right away. Once they understand, they may change the suggestion anyway.



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Nika Lizard (#76140)

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2015-11-10 08:51:54
@Baron (I wish pings actually worked here!) yeah, I suppose that's true. I think it could be useful sometimes, but the sarcastic/insulting options might end up the more common case. /sigh



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Arbiter (#3487)

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2016-05-17 00:40:22

I think it's a good option. If it's going to be down voted, you ought to be able to know why, so you can fix the idea into something positive and useful. It would take literally two seconds to tell folks why you don't like the idea using a dropdown box like this- it wouldn't cause any drama? I fail to see how it would make anything worse.

I would say give them the option to say "Hey this is why" with your dropdown options- they're generic so you have a wider range of what you can work on, as opposed to requiring a statement as to why. I would say if you're going to implement this, you ought to do the same for supports. c: You've got my support on this!




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Isabella Lena (#49545)

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Posted on
2016-05-21 04:52:28
Good idea! It is helpfull for the people, who made sugestions. And helpfull for mods/coders/drawers, this way they have a little more inside what players think/want.



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By man96💌 (#241721)

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2022-02-01 09:45:14




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