Hello everyone! :> Yeah so I mostly have my ideas for Sealsea together, but I figure I'd mention a few other things c: Tale may remember this, but when I asked about making a transgender cat, I was referring to the 'beta' version of Seal. I was wondering if it was fine if I kept him this way? I ask to make sure I don't make anyone here uncomfortable. (this is iffy though, and I'm not 100% sure yet)

Anyway, I'd figure that the older Sealsea got the more he came to dislike his siblings. (again, iffy) Or at least he's drifted away from a relationship with them(?) Either way, I've seen him to be a more emotionally troubled individual, kind of a mix of aggression and remorse over everything.

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That actually kind of works out because Littlestar's origonal siblings were a dark tom named Darkstorm (replaced by Mudmask) and a light she-cat named Snowpelt (replaced by Sealsea). The family dynamic I origonally pictured still works out about the same. :) That being said transgender or not I'm pleased - Littlestar won't care either way either.

That works Rin, especially since I kind of pictured the two siblings picking on Littlekit/paw when they were young but when he was Littlewhisker he spent most of his time away from camp (obviously this didn't patch up his relationship with his siblings). Now that he's Littlestar he could be trying to patch up his relationship with his family because (even though he hasn't expressed it before) family is important to him... Plus he needs to be more diplomatic now that he's a leader - he needs all the allies he can get.

Maybe later Littlestar can fight an enemy or another animal with one of his brothers and their relationship starts to lean towards the positive side for the first time since their birth?

Oh plus, PS since Cat won't know this yet: Sealsea is the only other cat that knows that the trio of brothers are fathered by a rouge. This would be devastating news to Littlestar since she's so by-the-book. I don't know how the other two would feel about that?

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Ello, my people! :D
I do, as well, have a lot of ideas for Mud (all are pretty iffy and on the more 'wip' side) but ya'll go first!

I agree with Tale on the side that I personally do not care whether or not Seal is transgender or not, everything's fine, and Mudmask won't care either, as well as Littlestar...

Yes, as an idea that me and Tale talked about in Pms, is that (exactly what you said, Tale, basically) both Sealkit/paw and Mudkit/paw both picked on/didn't really like Littlekit/paw as they got older and continued disliking him as they continued getting older and also as he became deputy and soon leader... So, typically, they dislike their brother and do not believe he deserves where he is now in life. - Deep down, I believe that Mudmask actually does care about family, but that is just very, very deep down. A speck, really. Mostly- considering some things- he doesn't and won't act like he cares about Little/Mud+Seal's relationship, and will mostly either give them/him the cold shoulder or be indifferent towards either LIttle or both of them- as it depends on whether we want Mud and Seal to have a good relationship (or at least a normal one) and have both of them dislike Littlestar.

On the P.S side; Really? Sealsea is the only one to know? Well, that is good info. For Mud, he'd most likely 50% care and 50% not, as he is a rather stoic cat.

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Sealsea is probably enraged by the idea that he's even more sub-par when compared to other cats. I'd imagine that he's also interested in hunting out his father, if not just to kill him out of rage. (Even though he knows the chance of him finding his father is next-to-nothing.)

Oh gods I can imagine Sealsea just kinda've breaking down because he's felt so alone since he became a warrior. He wasn't the leader of the clan and he wasn't the cat that he should have been born as, and it's really frustrating to feel lesser with what feels like everyone waiting for him to do something wrong. He's full of pent-up rage and mixed emotions and he has no real healthy way of letting it out. (The best he's done is tear into the bark of a tree until a claw broke.)

In case you couldn't tell I'm a fan of having emotionally troubled characters that will be able to change within the rp. I feel like it's more fun to have a character grow than stay the same, especially when it comes to my more aggressive characters. I also just like having my babies suffer so that they can grow as a person--er, cat

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Yeah originally I was going to make it that their mother took the rouge secret to her grave but it tied in well with Sealsea's personality and it would add potential drama later on.

Sealsea and Littlestar aren't that different actually - personality wise. They both feel very alone, both feel like their in the wrong place and born in the wrong way. Littlestar, though he wouldn't openly admit it because he knows it would only hurt his position as leader, even feels he shouldn't be leader. He was happy to be the Leader's apprentice and he wishes he had more time to train and learn the ropes but he also knows this wishing is not practical and is therefore a waste of time.

That's okay Rin, I'm exactly the same way. I create a "base" character and let the character take it from there. I like to let them grow and develop. That's why I don't do "auto mates" - meaning I don't pair off my characters before the RP starts, I prefer all relationships to be candid - friends, enemies, lovers, etc.

Edit;
I really hope this is making sense because it's late here and I'm just... typing while half watching TV and RPing 1-on-1 with a friend over chat so my brain is spread thin. xD

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Trust me, Tale, you're perfectly readable. My head is pounding from laughter as I read this, so I hope I am understandable.

I actually love how similar the two brothers, but at the same time are so different. Aside from the sex they were born as and their physical sizes, we see that Littlestar isn't consumed by rage and Sealsea is very vocal. But at the same time they both struggle with feelings of almost abandonment and loneliness. If it wasn't for Seal being, well, a shitty brother they could have been more tight-knit. But that's in the past, and they can only form a brighter future. If not for themselves then for the generations to come; to teach them not to make the same mistakes they did.

But that could be me overthinking things.

((On a side note: is it just me or is this song similar to the brothers' relationship. And I mean all of them, ofc.))

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Mkay, I am back- and sorry, ya'll, I'm home sick from school today, so yeah... xD

Don't worry, though guys, ya'll are perfectly understandable, the both of you. I'm doing this with about 5-7 pills inside of me, a pounding headache, coughing, and a sore throat, so I do hope mine isn't all shitty and I hope it makes sense, as I am just putting in a bunch of random ideas :p

Personally, I like how Mud is so different, yet similar to Seal and Little. It's like Seal and Little are more similar, but then they all- including Mud- are so different, yet they are good together, brother relationship, of course... Well, they don't fit together good YET, but they will. Sort of like how Jaypaw, Lionpaw, and Hollypaw fit together and are close (yes, I am referencing the books); they are ALL so different, with so many differences, but they are very tight-knit and close, how siblings should be...

I ended up describing my Mud wrong in my last post, so I apologize. I have a better explanation;
On the whole father is a rogue side, he would probably be furious on the inside, and mostly stoic on the outside, just in the way that he doesn't explode, or something- he just gets angered that he isn't fullblood Coveclan and is part rogue, so he'd probably kill- or seriously injure- their father if he saw him... At least try to- and most likely succeed, considering the good bit of strength he has in him.
On the whole personality/feeling alone part- Mud acts like he feels normal. He makes people believe he feels good about himself when, really, on the inside he is a whole jumbled up emotional cat, many emotions there; Anger, Sadness, Frustration, Insecurity, Slow-to-Trust, and all those emotions.

Also, on the 'base' character side; I agree with both of ya'll... Personally, i hate pre-pairing/friending/hating/etc my characters, as it just leaves NO background at all, and you don't get to RP them growing to love/hate/like (friend wise) each other, and it grows rather boring...

(( OML- that song is SO similar, it's not just you! <3 ))

( On my own side note; I am almost done with Rowanflame, Tale, if you were wondering. Since this is possibly my last day to finish it. Correct? )

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@Rin, exactly - temperament and bitterness kept them apart. Littlestar relies on logic to guide him where Seal relies on heart. Hopefully they'll learn to see they aren't that different. Also, good song choice I think.

@Cat, it's kind of funny that both the other brothers would blame their father for being a rouge where Littlestar would blame their mother. Lol. Also it's neat that Little and Mud are similar in the way that if they're angry or sad they keep it inside.

Our cats are, honestly, just a bunch of anxty teenagers that someone thought it was a good idea to make one in charge of something xD

(As for Rowanflame, I'd be happy to give you an extra day. You're active, you're working on it so I'm not worried. The 3 rule day was more or less just to ensure the character's player didn't just drop off the face of the planet. Just post in the sign up thread when you've got it done. :) )

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Well, yeah, that is basically how Mud is xD
Normally... If Mud did grow to love someone- whether it be family/lover/friend/etc- and they ended up, let's say for example, getting killed, he would most likely hunt down whoever killed them and kill the cat/creature themselves. Basically, he keeps normal things, stuff like the father thing on the inside, typically anything OTHER than a loved one, inside and doesn't express it as much as he would if the 'loved one dying' thing did happen. But for anything other tha-

Okay, let me shorten it down. If someone he loves (again, lover/family/friends) dies or something happens to them, he's just an angry ball of fury. If anything else happens, you wouldn't be able to tell what his emotion was and whether or not he was happy/sad/mad/etc...
So, yeah, he'd most likely keep a stoic face on- as ya'll will both see IC a lot, most likely.

( Great, I am putting a pause on Mud, since we haven't finished planning yet, and am working on Rowan now, so he'll probably be finished sometime today )

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He'd be a furry ball of fury! Rofl. I'm sorry. I like puns, I couldn't resist. XD

Later on Littlestar should loose one of his lives saving one of his brothers.

(I look forward to seeing him. I think I'm going to have a hard time choosing! That being said I have a tie break challenge in mind if my choice is too hard)

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xD - for some reason that made me laugh, then cry xD because laughing hurts -points to throat-

Yeah! That would be great, though I'd hate for it to be Mud. For two reasons.
First of all, I think he'd try his best to get out himself (I don't even know). Second of all, he HATES owing people things, but ---- WAIT! I just had a good RP in mind (I just rped in my mind where Little saves Mud and then Little loses a life while Mud is crouched over his brother, almost crying... ALMOST)

( yeah, I'm in love with him already, I've always liked the prefix 'Rowan' and the suffix 'flame' so putting them together worked xD - ooh! Mind if I have a sneak-peak of the tie-break-challenge? -Just what you have in mind? )

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Whoops sorry Cat. XD *gives cat a throat soothing drink*

Littlestar: "dude, chill, I got nine lives I'm fine", no, no, jk. Littlestar's not like that but wouldn't that be a mean/hilarious responce? :P hee hee, but seriously... that could work. Mud would feel like he owes his brother and Littlestar would be like "I didn't do it so you'd owe me, I did it so you wouldn't die." - he's not an eye-for-an-eye kinda guy.

(Heh, you'll have to wait and see. I'm not giving anyone a heads up - it'll be a suprise so no one can start working on their answer to the challenge before hand.)

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Sealsea is probably off being the emo teenager that he is. He comes back to camp and sees his tiny brother with cobwebs and dressing over him and he's just.
"Wtf did I miss?" haha

Sealsea probably would run out of camp when he saw the two of them though. Like Tale said, Seal is more controlled by his heart than his brain, and, even if he doesn't want to admit it, it's not exactly pleasant to see his two bothers in this state. (To say the least.)

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-coughs and drinks- Mm, thanks. :D

Yeah, normally that would be the case for Mud, Rin, but if his bro just saved his life and loses a life after, it would probably cause him some sort of emotional... erm, what's the word... I have no idea, but ya'll get the idea xD -But, yes I know Tale, makes sense, but Mud's personality just makes him 'assume' he owes him something, owes him his life.

For Mud, Rin, it really depends on the situation- like;
- Little saves Mud's life and then loses a life - he'd be sad and feel bad and shit like that
- Little saves Seal and then loses a life - he'd most likely be sad on the inside, so he'd probably leave as well (Since, he/I agree with you on the fact that its unpleasant to see your brothers in the kind of state that we're talking about)- So basically the same reasons, why he ran out.

( Aww-- Wait... You already told me -facepalm- xD, but don't worry, I'd never start working on it before, I don't do that )

HOLD ON ~ Dudes, we just got side-tracked... xD we need to work on ze history for them lmao

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xD So sympathetic, Seal.

Hmm Seal and Mud could even both get themselves into trouble trying to prove their better than their brother (though I'm pretty sure most cats in the clan are going to be anti-Littlestar) and he goes looking for them when they don't come back or something. Then they fight together, Littlestar looses a life and kinda lectures his brothers. Lol, Littlestar is kind of like a mother - he's likely to lecture or scold when in reality he was just worried and not actually mad. I can't wait to see who I give Littlestar as an apprentice.

We are very off track xD Lol, though I think we've pretty much covered the brother's bond. What's left is just Seal and Mud bonding as apprentices and warriors and how both of them react to: a) their brother becoming deputy for saving some kits and b) becoming leader at such a young age and when he was such a pathetic excuse for a kit. Oh - maybe, to add salt to the wound, their mother would favor Littlekit a bid because she was defensive of/worried about him

(I think I might have a new tie break anyways so no worries)

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