Posted by -LOCKED - Suggestion: Queen Status

Alex [CLEAN] (#12117)

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2016-04-13 15:21:00
We have submales, we have broodmothers, and I think it would be a nice addition to (somehow) add a feature for queen(s). With a pride full of female lionesses, it would make sense that one (or possibly two) take the "alpha" rank of the females, and I personally would like it to be an actual feature rather than just a footnote on a lioness' profile.

My suggestions (I'm not sure if all would work with the site's coding or not, but these are just ideas).

1. Queens would work similar to broodmothers, in that you can assign it to a lioness and it would appear on the pride page. However I'm thinking whereas you can only have one broodmother for every 10 lionesses, queens should maybe be one queen for every 20 lionesses (or can even be just one per pride).

2. Queens do not get affected by the king's personality. If your king is evil and your queen is good, it would still have no affect; basically would treat her as a neutral personality.

3. Unlike broodmothers, queens can still hunt, and they gain double exp for each successful hunt (maybe double stats too).

4. I'm not sure about this one... But maybe queens also go into heat again faster? Doesn't have to be a substantial amount of time (like only 15 days), but it's still quicker than all the other lionesses because your queen really, really wants to have more of your king's cubs ;)

So that's my suggestion. Comments? More ideas? Again I'm not sure if this would be difficult to implement, or even what features the queen(s) would actually have, but I do think it could be a nice feature!

EDIT: Thinking about it, there should also be a way to prevent people from changing their lionesses to queen just for the benefits. Either make it permanent (unless said lioness is gone/dead), or maybe can only choose a queen/demote a queen once a day (so if day one you choose a queen you can't demote her the same day, and if you demote her the next day you can't promote a new one until the day after).

EDIT 2: If you guys think the stat raising and earlier breedings would be too unfair, it could be something else? For example Lioden used to not have the cub survival meter, but now it does and the broodmothers help with that ... introduction of queens could even bring in something new to the game.

Suggestion by (#82377):
I like the idea to choose a queen, but double stats or faster heat is a bit too much. But maybe queen's cubs could have a small stat boost, like, 10-15% more? I don't think it would harm anything. Besides, i agree that queen can be chosen once and maybe not available to trade/chase. So the only way to get rid of her would be either wait for her to die or pay a gb retirement fee.



This suggestion has 120 supports and 22 NO supports.



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Edited on 20/04/16 @ 06:52:35 by Alex (#12117)

Starblazer (#51170)

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Posted on
2016-04-13 15:22:33
It sounds fun, but would it be feasible?



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Torquil (#53504)

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2016-04-14 18:21:00
I'm afraid I have to no support at the time.

Queens have been suggested previously, and with this suggestion, I feel their involvement is too substantial. Double stats from hunts would be too significant. With a 2K cub, you can hit 8K with enough hunts. That brings her up to a potential of 16K stats.

Halving the breeding cooldown is far too overpowered. I feel 20 days with the brutal price of yohimbe barks to lessen it is good enough. Rarer lions, including leopons, could be queened and bred even more frequently.

I don't feel a queen necessary to manage a den, in terms of number of lionesses. The king is the leader, and though 40 lionesses is unrealistic, as per game he can lead them.

I'm sorry, I just can't get behind this idea.



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Edited on 15/04/16 @ 01:26:52 by Torquil (#53504)

Laszlo (#10825)

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2016-04-14 23:37:34
That would be too much stat and level raise. No support.



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Em1Lee (Work/School) (#70535)

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2016-04-14 23:43:04
I'm sorry but I have no support as stated above. I think you are trying to enforce the idea of a pack, much like wolves but we are talking me about Lions. In the true nature of a lion there is usually one male and a bunch of females, if their were a female leader or a Queen they could be a potential threat.

I can see why you would like to have this, but it would make no sense.



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Alex [CLEAN] (#12117)

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2016-04-15 00:05:53
@Torquil, Laszio: The main idea was to have a Queen option like Broodmother; the suggestions I gave were just ideas. If you guys think the stat raising and earlier breedings would be too unfair, it could be something else? For example Lioden used to not have the cub survival meter (I think, right xD), but now it does and the Broodmothers help with that (was it introduced at the same time?) Sorry my mind is blah, I haven't been on here in nearly two years so not really sure what changed and when.

What I'm trying to say is the introduction of queens could even bring in something new to the game... Though I'm not sure what. It doesn't have to relate to double xp or earlier breedings, etc. Maybe the queen just adds a bonus to your fights in Explore, idk. My idea is just to add the option of a queen, what her benefit is is what I was hoping for suggestions with xD

@Em1Lee: Ehhh I worded it funny I guess, sorry. My main idea behind this was "The king's favourite lioness" rather than "Lioness that rules beside the king". That, and also the fact a lot of people seem to like naming a "queen" in their den so I just thought it could be interesting if it was an actual option, like broodmother.

Thanks for all your opinions on this tho ^^; Again my main point I was trying to make was introduce the idea of making your favourite lioness the queen, and from there she would have some kind of benefit; my ideas for it aren't set in stone, especially if people think it would be an unfair advantage.

EDIT: Another idea could be that she can watch over 5 adolescents, like a broodmother watches over cubs, and the adolescents she watches over gets double cub EXP?



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Edited on 15/04/16 @ 07:09:41 by Alex (#12117)

Lostar (#82377)

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2016-04-17 12:32:27
I like the idea to choose a queen, but double stats or faster heat is a bit too much. But maybe queen's cubs could have a small stat boost, like, 10-15% more? I don't think it would harm anything. Besides, i agree that queen can be chosen once and maybe not available to trade/chase. So the only way to get rid of her would be either wait for her to die or pay a gb retirement fee.



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Alex [CLEAN] (#12117)

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2016-04-17 15:38:39
I like that Lostar, with the cubs getting a small stat boost. 10% is not even that much so it could work. For example if a Queen's cubs were to be born at 500stats, they would only get a 50stat bonus or so (which I think is fair).

I also like the GB retirement fee, like how your kings need to be retired early and such. That would really help prevent people from constantly changing the queen status just to get a cub bonus :)



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2016-04-19 16:18:32
I can't lie; I'd totally a fan of this idea. I'd even suggest 1 queen for every 15 lions (because that'd be only 2 queens for a full pride of 40 -- unless the player paid for more slots). Plus I have in my own pride's rp hierarchy, have had two females rivaling for queen at any given time, or had a new queen born and raised to position before the elder queen had passed.

I think a benefit could be perhaps a bigger litter option. Like, a 10% chance of a five cub litter. Honestly love the idea of a slightly shortened cooldown, but maybe by just a few days, not half. Or, to get really crazy, a higher chance of mutation being born or passing by default.
But, again, a way to balance whatever benefit would be to sort of 'lock' in that position -- like, for say, four years of the lionesses' life somehow. Sort of like freezing them, except they would still be able to breed, hunt and age. But they'd be locked from becoming 'normal' for that period of time unless, idk, maybe an emergency accidental 'queening'. In which case there could be something like a two year (in game) cooldown. I think that would help reduce abuse of any special feature a queen could have, espescially if it had to do with breeding.
Ex. You make lioness A at age 2 a Queen. She goes into heat and has her first litter, and maybe it had a mutation, was extra large, has a shorter cooldown, etc -- whatever. Someone trying to scam the system would be less inclined if it meant they had to wait four in-game years to take the 'queen' status off of that lionesses and put it onto another to breed. Or to switch back and forth, they'd have to wait two years to re-queen someone from before. So they'd have to wait until queen A was over 6 before taking it off of her and giving it to lioness B.



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Black Rhinoceros (#68593)

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2016-04-19 18:55:15
This sounds fun!



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tinti (#82573)

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Posted on
2016-04-20 09:22:01
Yes, I've missed this feature :)



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Kaiet Cooper (#64210)

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2016-04-20 09:25:08
I belive this has already been suggested by me and someone else

http://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=20710

http://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429226055



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Lostar (#82377)

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2016-04-20 21:37:40
Hey, maybe we should even totally rethink the idea. Keep queens not for bonus, but for beeing pretty on our den page - put her name on the top like submales', or even squeeze in her portrait somewhere. 'Cause I personally like this idea because of possible "showcase" thingie, ability to show everyone your favorite female, and bonuses... Well, we already have a lot of events and event items to boost our cubs.



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Isabella Lena (#49545)

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2016-05-06 21:07:40
Overall a good idea.

I like the 1 Queen per 20 lioness idea more than 1 queen for 1 pride.
I do not realy like the more stats/faster breeding thing. What I think: If a queen hunts, she could have more change on succesfull hunt.

* Queens should not be able to trade or chase.
* (my idea) Every year(12 months=12 rollovers) you can change your queen.
* To choose a queen. There must be a pop-up! "are you sure you wanna do this?. Just for sure!
* Death or retirement is the only way to change.






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Rorsa (#41729)

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2016-06-07 18:43:16
I don't really care what the actual game mechanics end up being... I'd just really like to see Queens being an official thing.



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2016-06-10 20:15:46
I was thinking, maybe the queen could boost the pride's mood? I don't agree with her as a neutral party, personalities should clash unless she has a neutral one.



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