Posted by -LOCKED - -ADDED TO THE GAME-[vv] Deafness

Nuka (Ferus Bueller) (#29060)

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Posted on
2016-05-01 15:09:23
I'm not sure if this has been suggested beforehand (and if it has, forgive me), but a random thought occurred to me -

What if there were deaf lions?

I mean, I'm sure there's been real life cases of deaf lions, and I can't imagine they'd live long past their cub years, as they wouldn't hear warning growls from pride members or danger like hyenas or whatever.

But deafness is a natural occurrence and is found often in cats - usually solid white cats with blue or heterochromia (though typically in the latter cases, they are deaf in the ear that shares the same side of the face as the blue eye)

I asked chat and whether the mutation would be lethal or not was debatable. Lethal as an adult, lethal as a cub, as it wouldn't be able to hear danger or stampedes -- and if it were non-lethal, they couldn't participate in hunting patrols, as they may not learn to hunt properly.

It wouldn't require any line-edits, but the pride interactions would be different!
Say for example,

As you go to approach Cub, you see them walking away from you. You give up trying to get their attention after calling their name several times and still not receiving any response from them whatsoever.

You're listening to the cubs chatter, but when it comes Cub's turn to speak, what they say is a jumbled up, intelligible mess of noises, earning it giggles from its littermates.

Cub's running over to greet you when you spot another cub charging for it. You try to growl a warning, but-- Oop! They didn't hear it.


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Regarding line art edits -- Local - #60356
"At the newborn cub stage, it would appear normal, possibly with young cub, too, but the normal cub stage would appear as a cub sitting, with a confused look on its face and head tilted, one ear perked and the other flat out. At adolescents, the ears would be slightly torn and flat out, the expression could be sad, possibly also sitting. If they make it to adulthood, they could be standing with their head and tail lowered, ears almost completely shredded" - 5.2.16

Regarding random deaths -- Gray - #65134
"As an addition to local's idea of random death:
You know how, in cub protection, there are random messages about hyenas, lions, etc?
Maybe they could add some of these to deaf.
"When name was out exploring, they were sure everything was safe. They went to get a drink from a watering hole and a crocodile snapped at them, dragging them under the surface, and drowning them." - 5.3.16


Additional Ideas! (6.7.18)
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429230356&page=2#304441151453
PLEASE check out this post on the thread! It's full of great ideas such as flavor and training texts, how to obtain the mutation via breeding, and possible looks the mutation can have!
What do you guys think? If you have any ideas, or simply aren't interested, post below! I'll be sure to read it! <:



This suggestion has 484 supports and 23 NO supports.



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Edited on 07/06/18 @ 15:59:23 by Nuka {Hey-Im-Grump} (#29060)

cillian murphy
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Posted on
2016-05-02 07:57:53
I have mixed emotions about this-- my main concern is the lion. It may be a lethal/non-lethal in a lion, which would be valuable altogether. But.. just white and blue/hetero?? I know deafness occurs in other times, but mainly in white and blue/hetero as you said. Also, what good is a deaf mutation? No line differences would be made, so it'd just be a word in the mutation section. I do suggest that, if this gets added, a small line change occurred, and a VERY small one: maybe the ears could be extra fluffy inside, or sort of flattened? I won't support/no support for now, but as more details are added my mind may change. I like the idea, it's just that I wonder about how this would be very useful. Don't take it personal.



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Nuka (Ferus Bueller) (#29060)

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Posted on
2016-05-02 08:49:29
@ Gray,

No, no I don't take it personally at all!
I don't really know how they'd be useful, really - this is only a fun idea, to make pride interactions more interesting or something. If the pride interactions were updated in the future or something, I'd think having a deaf lion would make things even more interesting. And even if they weren't, I'd still find the idea cute, even if I am a bit biased. ^^

If the appearance was changed, like all the other mutations (line art edits or masking colors), I did consider fluffier ears/ear tufts like this, and a primarily white coat, like achromia. I've seen others suggest having white lions where the coats are solid white and the eyes are an icy blue-grey color. And instead of blue eyes or heterochromia, their eyes could have sectoral heterochromia, like in the drawing above.
Heck, it may not even have to be on a white base (though to be more accurate genetically, it should be) and it could just be a mutation based on the eyes.
Imagine an ebony lion with sectoral heterochromia and longer ear fluff!

Perhaps, lethal or not, its ears would be shredded from punishments for not obeying warnings, since it couldn't hear them. Or maybe, like you said, sort of flattened or damaged at an adolescent or adult stage.

This whole suggestion thing is to get new ideas. So whether for or against the idea, every single one helps!



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will; [triple
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Posted on
2016-05-02 09:07:06
I support, but I agree that this mutation wouldn't be over-all valuable since it would look "cool" or "different".

I posted my line suggestion in chat last night, but I'll repeat it here ^^

Maybe it could look something like this:

At the newborn cub stage, it would appear normal, possibly with young cub, too, but the normal cub stage would appear as a cub sitting, with a confused look on its face and head tilted, one ear perked and the other flat out. At adolescents, the ears would be slightly torn and flat out, the expression could be sad, possibly also sitting. If they make it to adulthood, they could be standing with their head and tail lowered, ears almost completely shredded



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Nuka (Ferus Bueller) (#29060)

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Posted on
2016-05-02 09:49:01
@ Local
Yes, I remember! ^^ And I loved the idea. I'll include it above.

The thing is, however, I was concerned about it having so many line-art edits ... That would require a lot of work on the artists' side, and that sounds really exhausting. :c

On the other hand ... disregarding the amount of line-art/marking/coding edits, would the adult/adolescence stages be malnourished as well as possessing shredded ears?


Another thing I considered was the sectoral heterochromia bit.
Instead of the default colors being blue + yellow, maybe the blue part of the SH would be a sort of masking thing?
Imagine green where the yellow was in the drawing. Or jet, or amethyst.
Or would having that many line-art edits be a bit much?



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will; [triple
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Posted on
2016-05-02 09:55:12
While I agree it would be a lot of work, it wouldn't be that much different than how Xy already makes lethals/hybrids. Malnourished would make sense, as they could not hunt for themselves.

It would also make sense if they had a chance to die randomly throughout their life, because if they wander away and can't find their way back, they might be attacked by hyenas, other lions, etc, or simply die of hunger or thirst



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cillian murphy
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Posted on
2016-05-02 12:03:11
As an addition to local's idea of random death:
You know how, in cub protection, there are random messages about hyenas, lions, etc?
Maybe they could add some of these to deaf.
"When name was out exploring, they were sure everything was safe. They went to get a drink from a watering hole and a crocodile snapped at them, dragging them under the surface, and killing them."



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cillian murphy
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Posted on
2016-05-02 12:03:17
As an addition to local's idea of random death:
You know how, in cub protection, there are random messages about hyenas, lions, etc?
Maybe they could add some of these to deaf.
"When name was out exploring, they were sure everything was safe. They went to get a drink from a watering hole and a crocodile snapped at them, dragging them under the surface, and drowning them."



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Black Rhinoceros (#68593)

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Posted on
2016-05-02 14:25:08
Support.



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Enigma (#3819)

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Posted on
2016-06-16 09:21:45
I don't see why not. We already have Blind mutation. which in game terms.. means they can't join in hunts.. so why not...



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kazuya (evil ass
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Posted on
2016-06-16 09:37:15
I think that deaf lions would be useless to be honest. Blind lions actually serve a purpose, they can't hunt. For deaf lions it would be exactly the same. Plus, there wouldn't be any star quality looks like there are in other mutations. No support for now, sorry.



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Beta {Clean
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Posted on
2016-06-16 10:11:48
Hm...maybe the ears could be just nonexistent, like earless. I don't know about the deaf part but that's just an idea to possibly make it more noticeable.



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Turk (#89191)

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Posted on
2016-06-16 10:13:43
@Everyone
Thank you for the supports and/or suggestions!



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PiercedVulture -
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Posted on
2016-06-16 11:39:40
I think it would be so adorable! I might be leaving lioden soon though, as I have no time for it.. But if this comes to lioden soon enough and the Kinsey is cute I might stay for a while to try and get one



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Zyrruu (#89730)

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Posted on
2016-06-16 11:56:38
This would be a great idea for a mutation! I support.



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🏝️🐬 Impastaa
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Posted on
2016-06-17 06:37:43
Okay,here's my idea:

Lethal at cub age, even if protected. Every 2 days until adolescent age there should a be %25 chance that they could die. At adult age, they probably shouldn't have to have the chance to die. Same when they're an adol.



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