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2017-05-24 15:44:52
According to the Wiki,
"Rosettes seem to be the most popular marking on Lioden currently, due to the mysterious nature of how they're passed on, and the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding. There are tons of user theories and conspiracies floating around regarding how Rosette works, but nobody truly knowsβ€”the code has yet to be cracked."

This could be taken to imply that they are truly random ("the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding"), but it can also imply that there is, in fact, a code ("the code has yet to be cracked").


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Exhibit A:
Cream Rosette

Mother was chased, but had the following:
Base: Cream (White Nose)
Mane Type: Normal
Mane Color: Brown
Eye Color: Grey
Slot 1: Onyx Ripple
Slot 2: Chocolate Top
Slot 6: Feline 7 Black

Dad had the following:
Base: Silver Grey (White Nose)
Mane Type: Sideburn
Mane Color: Lilac
Eye Color: Lavender
Slot 1: Feline 1 Dark Brown
Slot 2: White Tips
Slot 3: Feline 2 Onyx
Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx
Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx
Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx
Slot 8: White Undercoat
Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx
Slot 10: Onyx Lace
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Exhibit B:
Gold Rosette

Mom had the following:
Base: Dark Vanilla (Fallow Nose)
Mane Type: Diabolic
Mane Color: Lilac
Eye Color: Pink
Slot 1: Brown Mask
Slot 4: Feline 6 Dark Brown
Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx

Dad had the following:
Base: Blush Rose (White Nose)
Mane Type: Diabolic
Mane Color: Manakbir
Eye Color: Peach
Slot 1: Feline 7 Ginger
Slot 2: Feline 1 Black
Slot 3: Rose Pelage
Slot 4: Maroon Pelage
Slot 5: Onyx Lace
Slot 6: Feline 4 Silver
Slot 7: Feline 2 Ginger
Slot 8: White Panther
Slot 9: Under White 4
Slot 10: Feline 3 Onyx
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Exhibit C:
Brown Rosette

Mom had the following:
Base: Dun (White Nose)
Mane Type: Tsavo
Mane Color: Maroon
Eye Color: White
Slot 1: White Cobweb
Slot 6: Vitiligo 3
Slot 7: Vitiligo 2
Slot 9: Vitiligo 4

Dad had the Following:
Base: Onyx (Brown Nose)
Mane Type: Savage
Mane Color: Unholy
Eye Color: Saffron
Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx
Slot 5: Feline 2 Onyx
Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx
Slot 7: Feline 7 Onyx
Slot 8: Feline 5 Onyx
Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx
Slot 10: Feline 4 Onyx

Do you see a pattern?
I do.
Every. Single. Father. Has. At. Least. One. Feline. Marking.
See it?
Maybe parents with Feline markings produce rosettes, but it's rare.

Credit: Empress Tansy (#54105)




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Edited on 02/09/18 @ 10:03:23 by starfruit [with a lowercase s] (#112180)

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Posted on
2024-03-15 06:19:45
@Chaparrita I believe regular and heavy rosettes have different conditions, if any



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2024-03-15 06:22:14
I remember info circulating long ago that laces and panther markings can be factors for a random rosette. But again its all just theory.

Wonder how they are going to go about detailing the leopard tail without fully hinting the secret? who knowss



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2024-03-15 06:24:07
I breed multi panther lions and my guy (who has no feline marks) threw a random ginger rosette. I remember him throwing other random rosettes in the past but I will have to dig further.


Random Ginger Rosetter



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Posted on
2024-03-15 06:25:41
my pecora (no felines, just lace) threw a random ros in the same slot as lace
i think it helps, along with panther and margay



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Posted on
2024-03-15 06:35:00
scried a BRIAR HEAVY ROSETTE

Father was my king, who has the cat markings "lilac burmese", "scoundrel feline" "dawn margay"

mother was the current RL, i found the link and scried it
mother has cat markings "pistachio lace", "seal burmese", "bushveld margay", "seal panther"



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Posted on
2024-03-15 06:37:22
Betting all my beetles lace and panther are the secret



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2024-03-15 06:37:50
100%
i think felines help too but lace and panther certainly are /a/ factor



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2024-03-15 06:46:55
Hm. I think we're on the right track with cat/felidae markings aiding rosettes, but there has to be some correlation with the coloring.

@nebula what slot was the BHR in, and did a parent have a marking in that slot? Of yes, what marking? I wonder if random rosettes snatch not only slots, but colors aswell. I can see briar being derived from dawn, lilac, and scoundrel



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Posted on
2024-03-15 06:48:13
wait let me see



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2024-03-15 06:49:38
think that one might've been truly random, it was slot 3, same slot i have noctis scraped grunge and mom has seal freckles



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2024-03-15 06:53:32
Hm. Maybe slot doesn't have as much as a factor on heavy rosettes? It def affects shaded and inverted though



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Posted on
2024-03-15 06:53:57
hmmm yeah

because i do have a feline mark



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Posted on
2024-03-15 07:48:16
A kind chatter let me use their cub as data, so here we go! Auburn heavy ros in slot 1, random.

https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214897722

In slot 1, father had chocolate cowl and mother had gregarious brindle. Father's base is heavenly, mother's is chocolate.
Both parents already had a rosette, but not AHR S1. Sure has BHR S7, mom has GISHR S8.

Mom has a feline mark, dad has a margay. I'm not sure what to draw from this cub's markings/slots/etc, as nothing particularly fits with our theories.

I do think heavy rosettes have separate conditions then shaded and inverted, however, as that is becoming increasingly more common as I've been looking at random heavy rosette cubs. I wonder is having rosettes increases the chance of a random rosette spawning

(Srry for being all over the place btw, I'm in the middle of class)



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Posted on
2024-03-15 08:48:20
It was my lioness that had the bushveld Rosette from a Bushveld base dad. I will breeding her back to that king to see if it repeat but can't be sure.



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2024-03-15 09:18:45
Lucas I took a look at your list and all the cubs do actually add up
All the heavy rosettes had a feline parent, all the shaded rosettes have a mane marking parent(usually mom), and all softs have an 'unders' parent
And inverted rosettes don't follow a normal pattern so those don't really affect anything at the moment



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