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Razz [Clean Sidereal
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This is a Price Check/Suggestion thread to help me out with my planning!
Up here I will post a very general overview for those who DO NOT want to read through all of the shit that I wrote up for the actual basic thread design with its coding stuff.

First, let's give a basis of what the adoptables are.
They are cats. Just normal old house-cats. But, the part of this that is fun, is that they are breedable. When you breed the cats, they will be genetically accurate. Yeah. I literally went and taught myself these genetics so that I could make each cat and its kittens genetically accurate. So, keeping that in mind, I'd love for any and all input on how you would price each of them using the following linearts.

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Short Fur Kitten Stage
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Long Fur Kitten Stage
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Short Fur Queen Stage
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Long Fur Queen Stage
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Short Fur Tom Stage
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Long Fur Tom Stage

All colors and markings come from [this] comprehensive chart!

I will use the following genes:
Eumelanin and Phaeomelanin Genes, Dilution Gene, Agouti Gene, The Tabby Spotted and Ticked Genes, Tipped Gene, Colorpoint Genes, and the White Spotting genes.

Example of a Gene Workup:
bbl XOXo dd Aa mcmc Spsp tata Ii Ccs Ww

There will be three places to get the adoptables from: The Pound (comes as is, possibly bred before and older), The Cattery (Bred no more than once with a full gene workup), and Stray Cat Alley (one can explore for a small price but there is no guarantee of catching a cat, and if one is caught it may be injured or sick).

There will also be a few other locations: The General Store (where you can purchase items ranging from KMR (to keep the remaining kittens in a litter more than 8 wide alive) to Custom Cats), and The Veterinary Clinic (where injured or ill cats can be fixed up, or queens can be ultrasounded or assisted in birth to lower risks).

Cats can die or be injured by other cats (toms will fight if there are more than 2 per room in a cattery, upgrades can be purchased). Each day is a week in their world, and cats age up faster than IRL. A cat will be ready to breed at 12 weeks (days irl) old, and will have a 2 week (day) gestation period. They take 6 weeks (days) to recover before going into heat again, and 7 weeks (days) to wean kittens.

A complete list of mutations and every mechanic I have designed so far can be found in The Breeder's Handbook section of the full current design down below.

I will send a little gift to everyone who posts (10 SB, a feather, maybe a skull...) and if you give me some super helpful advice or a few good suggestions I may send more.

Form -
How much would you pay?:
What do you think of the idea?:
Would you participate?:
Any advice/suggestions?:
Extra stuffs?:

And thank you very much!!



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Razz [Clean Sidereal
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[Welcome]
Info info info (I am terrible at writing welcomes, if someone has a suggestion for this add it in!!)
Looking for extra information or have questions? Head on down to [The Breeder’s Handbook]!

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[The Pound]
From the outside, The Pound is an unwelcoming sight, drab grey with a black roof and cement walls. When one enters, there is an elderly woman with grey hair and glasses who smiles and gestures to the right. After taking that turn, there is a large area separated by small pens. Each pen is just large enough that its occupant can get up and walk in a tight circle before lying back down. Do you want to rescue one of these striking felines from their cage?
Name, Estimated Age, Gender
Small line of possibly important information



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[The Cattery]
Up in the hills outside of the town limits is a massive mansion. It is painted white, and the fields around it are brilliant green. Inside there are cats of every shape and size, playing and running and leaping. Some are kittens, others adolescents or adults. Many are nursing litters, and others are chasing after rambunctious kittens. Will you bring one of these quality cats into your home?
Name, Age, Gender
Genetics Workup
Spare information about the cat



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[Stray Cat Alley]
Here you can explore for only the cost of gas for a small chance to capture a stray cat or kitten from this alleyway of cats. There must be hundreds of cats that live in and around this mile long pathway, the population swelling and sinking with the years. The cats are of all colors and ages, and most are scrappy looking with some sort of illness or injury, but there are some that are looking perfectly fine and ready to carry on. You can tell that some of the Queens are pregnant and nearing their time. What are you going to do?


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[User Catteries]
It seems like for some reason this small town is filled with upstart catteries! Many are simply in the small starter homes, double room with just enough room for you to get along! Will you expand or settle with the space that you have?
User’s Cattery
x cats
x litters
x rooms

Cat Image
Name, Age, Gender
Litters Sired/Birthed
Items in Use
Genetics Workup if Available
Line of information that may be useful

This cat is in heat/is ready to breed/is nursing a litter

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[The General Store]
Literally the only store in town, the General Store sits at the far edge of town, opposite end from The Cattery. It is a rustic looking building, filled with odds and ends ranging from home vetting supplies to house upgrades to a few… more exclusive items. What will you buy today?

Item Image
Item Name
Information about use of item
Cost

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Kitten Milk Replacement
Kitten Milk Replacement is used as a substitute for milk for any bottle fed kittens. Kittens taken from the Stray Cat Alley under 7 weeks old or kittens from a litter above 8 babies will require KMR to survive.
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[Veterinary Clinic]
The Veterinary Clinic sits right in the center of town, a large white building with a sterile, elegant inside. If one walked into the back, they would see rows and rows of small cages of glistening stainless steel built to protect and assist in the care of the patients. Periodically there is a small meow or yowl from within, but otherwise it is rather quiet. What can they do for you today?
Procedure
Info about what effect it has on cat
cost

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[The Breeder’s Handbook]
Hello there, fair reader! You have a question about something or other, I suppose, or else you wouldn’t be consulting this fair handbook I have written. Please see to the section that you need, or feel free to read all the way through. Perhaps you will find something that you didn’t know before.
[Conversions]
The currency of this particular world is called Cat Cash, or CC. Every CC is worth 5 Silver Beetles, the currency that you, reader, use most commonly. Your Silver Beetles can be forfeited in exchange for a single (or multiple, if you wish) Golden Beetle(s), which are worth 6000 Silver Beetles. You can purchase Cat Cash whenever you wish, simply post the purchase form shown in the welcome section. Your balance will be kept track of in your Cattery, found in the User Catteries section above.
Time is handled in a simple fashion. Each day equals a week in this world. A month is equal to 4 days. A year is 48 days.
Cats age up faster than in the real world. A cat will be 7 days to wean, aging into an adolescent phase, and at 12 days old they will be breedable.
[Cat Ownership and Handling]
This is a huge topic that needs to be divvied up into sections. If you have a question about a specific part of the handling of your cats, please see the bold italicized headings below to find the exact part you are looking for. If you are just wanting to learn more about it, feel free to read all of it.
Purchasing Felines - Cats can be purchased from two locations, the Cattery and the Pound. Cats purchased from the cattery will come at a higher cost, often exacerbated by the particular genes a feline carries. If, for example, there is a cat with all recessive genes, they will be more expensive than a cat with all dominant ones. This is why breeding for recessive genes can be more entertaining and profitable. Cats bought from the Cattery will come with their complete genetic workup, viewable before purchase so that you know exactly what you’re getting when you get it. In addition to that, you will know their entire history if you are purchasing an adult cat. Purchasing from the pound is cheaper, but you don’t know anything about the cat you’re getting other than their immediate history (cat came in with a litter, cat came in appearing to have birthed a litter…), and their dominant showing traits. They do not have a genetic workup, though one can be purchased from the Veterinary Clinic.
Finding Felines - You may have noticed an area up there called Stray Cat Alley. If you decided to explore the alleyway, it is highly suggested that you bring some sort of lure with you. These can be purchased from the General Store for relatively cheap. To secure a capture, you can also bring with you a trap purchased from the General Store. The price to explore is extremely cheap, and you can earn at cat of any age. They can also have injuries that need to be treated at the vet. You may get away with a steal, or you may end up paying more than you would for a Cattery or Pound cat. It is up to you if you wish to risk it or not.
Queens - A queen cat is one of the female gender. Queens have a predictable heat cycle when left intact (not spayed). From the time they reach 12 weeks, or 12 days in your real world, old, they will begin a cycle. 12 days old they will enter their first heat. A heat lasts 1 day. If not bred, it will be 4 days until their next heat. If bred, a queen will have a 4 day gestation period, and then her kittens will be born. Once they are born, it will be 6 days until she is back in heat, and 7 days until her kittens are weaned. A queen should not be bred more than 5 times consecutively, or else she will run a 1/2 chance of dying during labor. If she dies in labor, she will run a 50% chance of all of the kittens dying. Should she survive, the litter will be small, and she will have a high chance of mutated kittens. A Queen can be brought to a vet for an emergency visit for a fair price to lower her chance of death to 25% in these situations, but there is little a vet can do for the kittens. If a queen is permitted a break between breedings, she will not have that chance of death. Litter sizes range from 1 to 12 kittens. Any litter more than 8 kittens will result in the requirement of bottle feeding. You must purchase KMR and bottled to save the extra kittens. If none is purchased, the kittens above 8 will die the day after birth. The ones that die will be randomly picked. A queen can be spayed to prevent extra toms from fighting during her heat at the Veterinary Clinic.
Toms - A tom cat is one of the male gender. A tom reaches maturity at 12 weeks, or 12 days in your real life. You can safely own two (2) toms per room that your cattery has. If you have more than those two toms, you will run into danger every time a queen comes into heat. If you have more than two queens, and one is in heat while one or more is nursing kittens, there is a 1 in 5 chance that a tom will become aggressive towards the kittens. Kittens can be killed or injured by the tom. The other thing that may happen is that toms may engage in a fight. If two toms fight, one may be killed or they may be injured. In that situation, you will have to administer medical assistance (through items purchased from the General Store or the Veterinary Clinic), or else their wounds will worsen and leave lasting effects (sterility, partial sterility, or death). Be sure to care for your toms and don’t keep too many in the same room!
[Genetics]
This is the elephant in the room. “Genetically Accurate?” you’re asking, “What makes it genetically accurate?”
Well. Allow me to elaborate.
In genetics, there are dominant and recessive genes. If a dominant gene is present in conjunction with a recessive one, the dominant trait will show, but the recessive gene can be passed to kittens. If two recessive traits are present, then a kitten will demonstrate that trait.
The genes that determine coat color in kittens are split into several sections. Those will be elaborated on below in the bold italicized sections. Refer to any and all that you wish to know about. There are two terms I will use a lot, homozygous and heterozygous. Homozygous means it is only one gene present, the dominant or recessive one. Heterozygous is the term for a carrier cat, that has a dominant and recessive gene (A and a for example), meaning they can pass the recessive gene to offspring but will always show the dominant trait.
Eumelanin Genes -
The Eumelanin Genes are the genes that codes for the base color of a cat. There are three base colors, Black, Chocolate, and Cinnamon.
Black can be 3 different genotypes, BB (homozygous dominant), Bb (heterozygous), or Bbl (heterozygous with the recessive gene for cinnamon).
Chocolate can be two different genotypes. bb (homozygous recessive), or bbl (heterozygous recessive with the gene for cinnamon)
Cinnamon can be only one genotype, blbl (homozygous recessive).
The three different genes present are B, b, and bl.
Phaeomelanin Genes -
The Phaeomelanin genes are their whole own monster. They represent the red color in cats. It is not a true self color, and they always present as tabbies. The thing with these genes is that they can only be heterozygous on female cats, meaning only females can have the gene partially expressed. Red is a gene that piggybacks on the sex chromosome X, which females have two of. Males only have one, so they can either demonstrate the red or they can’t.
Male red genotypes are as follows; XOY (homozygous dominant, demonstrates red), or XoY (homozygous recessive, doesn’t demonstrate red).
Female red genotypes are as follows; XOXO (homozygous dominant, demonstrates red), XOXo (heterozygous, displays as a tortoiseshell), or XoXo (homozygous recessive, does not demonstrate red)
The genes that play a part are XO and Xo.
The Dilution Gene -
The Dilution Gene is the gene that controls the changing of a cat’s coat color. This is why we have such a range of base colors on a cat. It changes the base coat of a cat in the following ways.
Black → Blue → Caramel
Chocolate → Lilac/Lavander/Frost → Taupe
Cinnamon → Fawn/Light Lilac → Theorized coat, won’t be shown as it is not real
Red → Cream → Apricot
I do not want to play with the dilute modifier gene too much, so I’ll do this; if your cat is a dilute, and it is bred with a dilute, there is a chance that they will produce a double dilute, which will have the third coat in the list up there.
The genotypes are as follows; DD (homozygous dominant, no dilution), Dd (heterozygous, no dilution), and dd (homozygous recessive, dilute coat present)
The genes that play a part are D and d
The Agouti Gene -
A cat that carries the Agouti Gene will present as a tabby. This is simply to show if the tabby markings will appear, as all cats carry a tabby gene of some sort.
The genotypes are as follows; AA (homozygous dominant, cat will have a tabby pattern), Aa (heterozygous, cat will have a tabby pattern), aa (homozygous recessive, cat will not have a tabby pattern and will be solid)
The genes that play a part are A and a.
The Tabby Gene -
The tabby gene decides if a cat will be a mackerel tabby (thin stipes) or a classic tabby (swirly stripes).
The genotypes are as follows; McMc (homozygous dominant, Mackerel Tabby), Mcmc (heterozygous, Mackerel Tabby), and mcmc (homozygous recessive, classic tabby).
The genes that play a part are Mc and mc
Spotted and Ticked Tabby Genes -
As these two genes play a similar role, I’ll include them here. Both of them override the classic/mackerel gene, meaning if a queen or tom possesses a ticked or spotted coat, kittens will show as one of those tabby patterns instead of mackerel or classic. They will carry mackerel or classic as well and can pass it to kittens.
The spotted gene is overridden by the ticked gene, so you cannot have a cat this is both spotted and ticked, they will carry spotted but only show as ticked.
The possible genotypes are; spsp (homozygous recessive, normal coat), Spsp (heterozygous, spotted coat), SpSp (homozygous dominant, spotted coat), tata (homozygous recessive, normal coat), Tata (heterozygous, ticked coat), and TaTa (homozygous dominant, ticked coat).
The genes that play a part are the following; sp and Sp for spotted and ta and Ta for ticked.
Tipped Genes -
The Tipped Genes are the ones that control if a cat is shaded or a smoke. This means that their pigment is contained to the tips of the hair, and instead of the cat being mainly their eumelanin (base) color, they are white with a shadow effect of their base color. The degree of shading will be decided by a random generator because I don’t know the exact genes for each shading.
The possible genotypes are as follows; ii (homozygous recessive, normal coat), Ii (heterozygous, shaded coat), and II (homozygous dominant, shaded coat)
The genes that play a roll here are the following; I and i
Colorpoint Genes -
Have you ever seen a Siamese cat? If you haven’t I suggest you look one up as they are quite striking. They have a marking called a Colorpoint, which is controlled by genes. The cats colorpoint will be the same color as their base or diluted base. There are three types of Colorpoints, Point, Mink, and Sepia. Point is the highest contrast base and Sepia is the lowest contrast base.
The possible genotypes for this are as follows; CC (homozygous dominant, normal coat), Ccs (heterozygous, normal coat), Ccb (heterozygous, normal coat), cscs (homozygous recessive, Point), cscb (heterozygous recessive, Mink), and cbcb (homozygous recessive, Sepia)
The genes that play a roll here are as follows; C, cs, and cb
White Spotting -
You know those white markings? Well they’re controlled by, surprise, more genes!
The possible genotypes for this are as follows; ww (homozygous recessive, no white), Ww (heterozygous, 0-50% White), and WW (homozygous dominant, 50-600% white)
The genes that play a roll are as follows; W and w

And THOSE are all the genes I will be using! A complete genotype would look like this:
bbl XOXo dd Aa mcmc Spsp tata Ii Ccs Ww
Can you tell me what that means? If not don’t fear- I’m happy to provide an explanation for anyone who genotypes their cat and wants to know more.
That genotype stands for this:
A queen, lilac and cream tabico with between 0 and 50% of her body white and a spotted tabby pattern in her coat. She carries the genes for non tabby, classic tabby, a non spotted tabby, a non silver cat, a Point colorpoint or Mink colorpoint, and a non white cat.
And that concludes our GENE tutorial!

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[Credit]
Headers -
Credit for the headers goes to the one and only Salix! They are an amazing calligraphy artist with heaps of talent. To make it even better, their personality and attitude are stellar, providing the absolute best experience when you order from their shop, Salix’s Calligraphy Commissions. Go check it out and give them some love!
Cat Colors -
The colorations of each cat are designed based upon [this] comprehensive guide!
Genetic Inheritance -
I check my own work using [this] cat coat calculator! I have linked the simple version, but you can access the more complex version from the page.
Art -
As of now, the art is entirely and wholly mine.




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Edited on 20/08/17 @ 19:33:24 by Razz (#18166)

Razz [Clean Sidereal
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