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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-09-16 02:31:17
Are you more into mane shapes? Then the Mane Genetics Thread is here for you

Want to check out a particular combo quickly? Use ctrl + f and type its name, or use the "search on site" option if you are using a cellphone :)



Wiki entry about Combo Bases

This began as a way to share theories about possible combinations, but then things got way bigger than expected. A lot of people have invested a lot of currency in the scrying stone to see if we were right about combos, and here is the result :D

But wait... What are combo bases?



When you breed two lions with the right combination of bases, their cubs roll a further, extra chance that can result in a third, new base, a "combo" base. Each combo base has its own requirements, and these bases often ignore the set genetic rules: for example, the Cairngorm combo base (Black Light Solid Special genetics) can be obtained by breeding a Celestial lion (Black Dark Countershaded Special genetics) and a Cocoa lioness (Black Medium Countershaded Rare genetics). Most combo bases can be passed down as long as one parent has it and further requirements are met if there are any, with the exception of Pulsar and Temporal.

*Since the 12th October update, cubs that have triggered the original combo bases - Cairngorm, Citrine, Madagascar or Qahir - have a 50% chance of getting their respective mane color, and these can be inherited like any other mane color!

Right now there are two different types of combo bases: "standard" combos and "factor" combos. Factor ones can be obtined by breeding any of the bases that make up the combo, but standard ones can be obtained by more than one combination of bases that are assembled into two different groups. The combo can trigger as long as the parents have bases that belong to a different combo group (not to be mistaken by the genetic color group).

*Note: While some of the following standard combo tables have been completed, there may be some combinations that remain undiscovered yet.

Standard combos:





Arabica

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Arabica by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black



  • Buttercream

  • Buttermilk






Asiatic

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Asiatic by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Dun

  • Gray



  • Cream

  • White






Black Rose

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Black Rose by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar



  • Jet

  • Obsidian

  • Onyx






Cairngorm

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Cairngorm by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Celestial

  • Ice

  • Sidereal

  • Skyward



  • Cocoa

  • Ethereal

  • Pearl

  • Slate






Citrine

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Citrine by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar

  • Kimanjano

  • Topaz

  • Xanthic



  • Cherry Blossom

  • Fiery

  • Fulvous

  • Sulphur






Cloudburst

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Cloudburst by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Chartreux

  • Korat

  • Maltese






Elysian

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Elisyan by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Ice



  • Divine

  • Ebony






Ember

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Ember by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Blazing

  • Fiery



  • Flint

  • Pewter






Hellebore

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Hellebore by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Lilac



  • Goldenrod

  • Udara






Madagascar

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Madagascar by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Sapela

  • Sepia

  • Shedua

  • Unholy



  • Ivory

  • Nacre

  • Sunset

  • Supernal






Nadir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Nadir by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black Rose

  • Ebony



  • Ardor

  • Hellebore

  • Rhodonite






Pulsar

This base can only be obtained via combo during July, but can be passed down by breeding two Pulsar based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Pulsar by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Arctic



  • Anjeer

  • Blazing

  • Inferno

  • Prune






Qahir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Qahir by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Buff

  • Cameo

  • Hallowed

  • Russet



  • Chartreux

  • Glacial

  • Hematite

  • Opal






Snowflake

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Snowflake by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Arctic

  • Aufeis

  • Frostbitten

  • Glacial

  • Ice






Temporal

This base can only be obtained via combo during October, but can be passed down by breeding two Temporal based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Temporal by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Unholy



  • Bast

  • Sunset




Factor combos:





Gilded

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Gilded by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Anubis



  • Bast



  • Seth






Olive

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Olive by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Caramel



  • Xanthic






Rose Gold

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Rose Gold by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Alabaster



  • Sha



  • Velvet






Soul

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Soul by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Ivory



  • Ebony





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Edited on 19/12/19 @ 03:40:35 by Jingle Bere (#84593)

Beata [PFM] (#956)

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2017-10-16 02:12:34
I don't see it in "Known combinations", but ok :)



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-10-16 02:15:06
@Beata

Those are for the bases whose's combos remained hidden, to use them to deduce which bases go in which "side" of the combinations for Citrine, Madagascar and Qahir. You can check the full Newspost introducing the combo bases here.



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Beata [PFM] (#956)

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2017-10-16 02:17:37
Sorry, my bad :)



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-10-16 02:18:28
@Beata

Don't worry, we weren't born knowing everything :3



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Xylax (#4)

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2017-10-20 02:34:55
There's 4 for each so you're still chasing 2 I think :D



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-10-20 02:38:47
We suspected that, Xy. So far they've eluded us

I'm curious, though. Do all combos have a logic to them like Cairngorm, based on how the bases that make them up look, like how Cairngorm is made up from a "speckled" base bred with a "smokey, milky" base?



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Pain and Suffering (#93497)


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2017-10-20 08:05:58
I'm more curious about genetics, would be nice to get y/n answer from Xy.
Should we follow the system we currently have? For example Qahir is cream special, does that mean that one parent should be cream too or it is wild?
I can't get over chartreux x glacial, that means we can't apply existing genetics rules?



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2017-10-22 20:59:29
Just curious, I may have over looked it, but has anyone figured out how to get teardrop?



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2017-10-23 02:02:22
@Stygian.Angel

Teardrop isn't a combo base. You can breed it with any bases as long as one of them is special and their genetics can be combined into Teardrop's, like any of the regular special breed only bases.



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muttduck (#78)

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2017-10-23 05:23:42
THIS CITRINE CUB gives us the missing Citrine base.
Fiery dad x Cinnabar mom.



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Lunar Lords (#86479)

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2017-10-23 06:05:35
I linked a Madagascar cub with a Nacre parent a while ago, so Cinnabar and Nacre are the missing bases, at least.



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Stygian.Angel (#105862)

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2017-10-23 06:11:35
Oh thank you Berenos, I still haven't quite figured out the breeding genetics in here lol. ^_^



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muttduck (#78)

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2017-10-23 06:25:29
Here is the link Lunar Lords posted before...
Madagascar Adol with Unholy Dad x Nacre Mom.

So, yep, looks like we have all of the bases now.



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Edited on 23/10/17 @ 06:35:49 by muttduck (#78)

Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-10-23 06:31:44
Sorry about the Madagascar cub, I must have missed it somewhere. But I'll update the charts in a moment!



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-10-23 06:32:40
@Muttduck

The second link is from the Citrine cub, not a Madagascar adol :o



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