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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-09-16 02:31:17
Are you more into mane shapes? Then the Mane Genetics Thread is here for you

Want to check out a particular combo quickly? Use ctrl + f and type its name, or use the "search on site" option if you are using a cellphone :)



Wiki entry about Combo Bases

This began as a way to share theories about possible combinations, but then things got way bigger than expected. A lot of people have invested a lot of currency in the scrying stone to see if we were right about combos, and here is the result :D

But wait... What are combo bases?



When you breed two lions with the right combination of bases, their cubs roll a further, extra chance that can result in a third, new base, a "combo" base. Each combo base has its own requirements, and these bases often ignore the set genetic rules: for example, the Cairngorm combo base (Black Light Solid Special genetics) can be obtained by breeding a Celestial lion (Black Dark Countershaded Special genetics) and a Cocoa lioness (Black Medium Countershaded Rare genetics). Most combo bases can be passed down as long as one parent has it and further requirements are met if there are any, with the exception of Pulsar and Temporal.

*Since the 12th October update, cubs that have triggered the original combo bases - Cairngorm, Citrine, Madagascar or Qahir - have a 50% chance of getting their respective mane color, and these can be inherited like any other mane color!

Right now there are two different types of combo bases: "standard" combos and "factor" combos. Factor ones can be obtined by breeding any of the bases that make up the combo, but standard ones can be obtained by more than one combination of bases that are assembled into two different groups. The combo can trigger as long as the parents have bases that belong to a different combo group (not to be mistaken by the genetic color group).

*Note: While some of the following standard combo tables have been completed, there may be some combinations that remain undiscovered yet.

Standard combos:





Arabica

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Arabica by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black



  • Buttercream

  • Buttermilk






Asiatic

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Asiatic by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Dun

  • Gray



  • Cream

  • White






Black Rose

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Black Rose by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar



  • Jet

  • Obsidian

  • Onyx






Cairngorm

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Cairngorm by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Celestial

  • Ice

  • Sidereal

  • Skyward



  • Cocoa

  • Ethereal

  • Pearl

  • Slate






Citrine

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Citrine by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar

  • Kimanjano

  • Topaz

  • Xanthic



  • Cherry Blossom

  • Fiery

  • Fulvous

  • Sulphur






Cloudburst

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Cloudburst by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Chartreux

  • Korat

  • Maltese






Elysian

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Elisyan by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Ice



  • Divine

  • Ebony






Ember

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Ember by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Blazing

  • Fiery



  • Flint

  • Pewter






Hellebore

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Hellebore by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Lilac



  • Goldenrod

  • Udara






Madagascar

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Madagascar by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Sapela

  • Sepia

  • Shedua

  • Unholy



  • Ivory

  • Nacre

  • Sunset

  • Supernal






Nadir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Nadir by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black Rose

  • Ebony



  • Ardor

  • Hellebore

  • Rhodonite






Pulsar

This base can only be obtained via combo during July, but can be passed down by breeding two Pulsar based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Pulsar by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Arctic



  • Anjeer

  • Blazing

  • Inferno

  • Prune






Qahir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Qahir by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Buff

  • Cameo

  • Hallowed

  • Russet



  • Chartreux

  • Glacial

  • Hematite

  • Opal






Snowflake

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Snowflake by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Arctic

  • Aufeis

  • Frostbitten

  • Glacial

  • Ice






Temporal

This base can only be obtained via combo during October, but can be passed down by breeding two Temporal based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Temporal by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Unholy



  • Bast

  • Sunset




Factor combos:





Gilded

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Gilded by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Anubis



  • Bast



  • Seth






Olive

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Olive by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Caramel



  • Xanthic






Rose Gold

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Rose Gold by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Alabaster



  • Sha



  • Velvet






Soul

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Soul by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Ivory



  • Ebony





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Edited on 19/12/19 @ 03:40:35 by Jingle Bere (#84593)

muttduck (#78)

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Posted on
2018-01-13 13:22:04
I agree. My second account has a Citrine stud, with a den full of factoring based lionesses. If he can't reproduce his color, he's useless as a stud. :(



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Celebii [Clean Nat
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2018-01-14 13:41:30
Should I modbox the issue and ask why the scrying stone isn't showing combo bases passing themselves? I really would like to know before breeding my madagascar and especially my cairngorm girl.



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Siamese king (#31787)

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2018-01-14 13:45:11
I would. It doesn't hurt to ask. I'd note the specific details of everyone's result when you do.



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Amarylllis (#115274)

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2018-01-14 13:50:43
That madagascar 2x rosette cub is gorgeous , congrats! @Snowcat



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Amarylllis (#115274)

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2018-01-14 13:56:58
And yeah, i do hope they pass their bases, too; if not, I'd have a problem with my Citrine stud.



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2018-01-14 14:55:17
Thanks! I was trying for Sunset, but that was a really pleasant surprise. I love the Madagascar base.



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Celebii [Clean Nat
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2018-01-14 15:01:50
Okay, so I sent the ticket about an hour ago and no reaction so far. I'm going to bed now, but I reckon there will be an answer tomorrow.

Edit: Speak of the devil, it's been claimed!



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Edited on 14/01/18 @ 15:03:46 by Sereenah [Grov's side] (#96080)

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2018-01-14 22:51:46
"Okie dokie, so looking at everything.

It is possible to OBTAIN from combo breeding but they also can be bred when Madagascar x Madagascar requirements are met.

So Madagascar x Madagascar has a chance to pass Madagascar.

With regards to the stone:
There is a chance to always hit a fail roll, it's not a guaranteed.
HOWEVER
With your sample size, there is a chance combos are bugged at the stone.
The stone does not fully reflect the same code as breeding, so there could be a problem with combo mechanics and the something off in the scrying stone coding.

What we would suggest is making a bug board thread regarding scrying and combo bases. There is chance something might be glitching. "

I might be more confused than before. So now combo base x combo base IS supposed to pass it?



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Celebii [Clean Nat
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2018-01-15 04:42:50
"I can understand that being a little confusing, and I am very sorry you were given conflicting information.

I know the staff name is blocked, but this is the Admin Baroness and the information in this ticket is coming direct from me and Xylax."

So it appears the information Bezthiel was given is incorrect. I'll make a bug thread when I come home later today and hopefully things will get sorted out. It's reassuring to know that we can safely breed the combo bases, at least.



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muttduck (#78)

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2018-01-15 07:20:34
So... wait... Admin Baroness says (that Xylax confirms) that Combo x Combo CAN make Combo babies, and that they were supposed to all along?

ie: . Citrine x Citrine = Citrine,
Madagascar x Madagascar = Madagascar,
Cairngorm x Cairngorm = Cairngorm
Qahir x Qahir = Qahir

So... when I first scried a Cairngorm pair making a Cairngorm cub, it WAS correct...
But, THEN, a mod later said it wasn't to someone else, and that the scrying stone was bugged...
After, the scrying stone no longer showed Combos of being able to pass, even following known rules...

So the real question is: Who "fixed" the stone, if it wasn't broken, and why?"



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Edited on 15/01/18 @ 07:44:30 by muttduck (#78)

Grovyle (#94985)

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2018-01-15 07:39:43
To be honest I asked that question but it was conveniently not answered. Anyway, I expect it'll be fixed soon. They probably messed it up but it shouldn't take long since they had the correct code before the stone was labelled "broken".



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Cerrates
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2018-01-16 01:15:57
Ok so wait though. Can a combo base ONLY pass if bred to the same base? As in Madagascar x Madagascar?

I thought they had said at one point that it could pass with any of the bases that formed it, ex: Madagascar x Unholy = Madagascar

Is this possible?



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Celebii [Clean Nat
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2018-01-16 01:54:35
No, combo bases can be passed when bred to either the same combo base or one of the eight factor bases.



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Cerrates
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2018-01-16 02:02:50
Ok right. So Madagascar x Unholy = Madagascar is possible.



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2018-01-16 02:16:02
@Cerrates

Yep. The issue we seem to be having is if a combo base x combo base can pass that same combo base; news said that combo base x one of the 8 bases that make up the combo is the way for them to pass.



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