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Posted by | Let Male Leopons Breed |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 03:56:04 |
So, recently I bought and Kinged a Leopon boy as a sort of 'final project and achievement' since I don't plan to be here terribly long afterwards after I breed and spread bone lace, bone inverted zebra, and make one final attempt to King a Sextafulv. Possibly to breed mandarin, so if you happen to breed a tigon, give me a tap on the shoulder friend ;) Anyway, back to the suggestion. I noticed....my pon cannot breed. At all. From a realistic standpoint, I can see the justification of this I guess. Male hybrids are often sterile....however the females tend to be fertile. Take the Savannah cat for example. First generation males cannot breed, however once you get around the 5th, 4th, and sometimes even 3rd Generation of Males, fertility can and does return. These males can and do sire kittens. My particular Leopon is a 5th or 6th generation pon and falls well within this range, so if realism is an issue for you, consider that as an argument. Also consider that the way Lioden handles leopons isn't particular realistic either. The only felines who could produce a leopon are a pure blooded lioness and a pure-blooded leopard.. A leopon crossed with a lion would produce a li-leopon or a leopard would produce a leo-leopon, later a li-li-leopon and so on down the line with more and more convoluted names. It should be noted that male leopons have apparently successfully fathered cubs before with other hybrids (ligers to be exact), to produce the Leoliger. There does not appear to be a source for this claim however. So, you see, there is a factual basis for this implementation. As for the actual Implementation, I have two propositions: Simple ImplementationLeopons would operate just as any male would, however inverse of the Primal. That is to say, the females can breed their mutation and pass it along while males would exist and never be able to pass their mutation. A 'pon siring another 'pon would be entirely predicated on the female pon and would be no different than studding to any other male. They'd essential be NPMs (Non-passing Muties) and their mutation would be purely aesthetic. Still, wouldn't it be cool to have a pon as the father of your cubs? So that's one (and I suspect will be the most popular) way we could do it. Generation would not matter in this implementation. A first or 50th generation of pon would be able to breed. Considering there is basis for leopon breeding in reality and Lioden isn't realistic itself, there's no real reason I or any other future pon Kings should be restricted from breeding.
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Fraekincense (#57572)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 05:25:33 |
One question I have to ask, female leopons have an increased chance to pass on mottled rosette. Would a male leopon's mottled pass rate be reduced or non existant in comparison to their female counterparts? Mottled prices are already in the toilet, so i'm on the fence whether to support or not. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 05:37:33 |
I'm seeing male pons passing rosettes no more frequently than a male lion with rosettes. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Fraekincense (#57572)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 05:38:36 |
kalliste | heritageless (#51173) Famous View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 05:54:09 |
Supporting the first idea primarily, that male 'pons can't pass their mutation. The male leopon art is adorable, and if it has no way to devalue 'pons (as some may see it), I can't see a downside personally. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Angela |Skyward Queen| (#77401) View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 09:06:24 |
No support, there's too many game breaking things being added here. Having male pons (whatever generation) be fertile but not pass the mutation or boost it would be reasonable. The rest, no. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 09:08:55 |
Alright, did you not look at the first option I proposed? There is a poll where you can vote, y'know. Also elaborate on how these are "game breaking", I'm curious. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 05/02/18 @ 09:10:37 by Jaxapon [LeoponSunsetKing] (#98288) |
Shetani (#29416)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 09:12:03 |
The game is called Lioden, not Leoponden. The player character should always be a lion. No support. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Ladwick (#12065)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 09:15:19 |
Support! I've wanted a pon king, I don't care if they can pass their mutation or not. I just want a pon king who won't be useless. x3 I think the simple option would be better. Cuz it's simple. But I do like the other option too. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 05/02/18 @ 09:20:13 by Ladwick ¹ (#12065) |
Icey [G2 1k Daedal] (#38841)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 09:22:34 |
@Shetani- Pons can already be king. They just can't breed, so it sort've invalidates your point? Or did you mean something else? I like the first idea best, where they can breed but wont pass on the mutation. It's clean cut and simple. ^_^ 1 player likes this post! Like? Edited on 05/02/18 @ 11:56:00 by Icey (#38841) |
Angela |Skyward Queen| (#77401) View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 09:25:11 |
- Male Leopons would have Hybrid Vigor. Hybrid vigor occurs when the offspring of two species is physically fitter and healthier than either parent. Lions have an energy bar of 100%. Perhaps a Leopon King, in a Trade off for his low fertility, could have more energy to spare for other things. Alternatively the vigor could be breeding specific and not be affected by things like explore, sparring, ect. - This is likely going to be, it would make the game much easier for leopon kings, in whatever aspect it affects. Lioden does penalties on mutations as a general rule, they don’t have any precedent for gameplay bonuses, unless you count primals and piebalds being able to pass their mutations along. Energy is a finite resource for everyone on the game, having some kings with higher energy reserves all the time would be a fairly game breaking, or at least unbalancing, feature. We have this with Hyperactive kings, to an extent, but it’s only an additional 30% per day I suppose if they had a small energy boost like the Hyperactive personality kings that was useable once per day it would be more reasonable, and less likely to tip energy related things in favor of leopon kings entirely. - 3rd Gen Male Pons would bolster a female by 4%. 4th Gen Male Pons would only bolster by 3%, 5th Gens by 2%, and 6th Gens by 1%. I am not sure if FGPs should have their base 10% improved upon in this manner, but am interested in hearing what you all think. - Adding in any boost to the pass rate of mutations is going to drastically raise the amount of that mutation in the game. Primals hardly have a 5% chance of passing, and they’re everywhere because it’s a male passed mutation. Even if it only boosted the female’s pass rate, there would be massive population booms. 1% is an enormous difference on the scale of lioden. For individual breeders it may not seem like much of a change but it would be for the whole of the game. These are the two things I most take issue with, the bits of suggestion that are needed to implement these are not really relevant to my decision not to support the suggestion. 0 players like this post! Like? |
🐾Lost🐾 (#99623)
Aztec Knight View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 09:32:43 |
I support for sure. Lioden is a realistic type game therefore whether it was a 10% or 1 million %. They still follow the laws of realism. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 11:00:59 |
Shetani, that argument makes zero sense. Besides, in the context of the game, it IS a lion. It just has a mutation. Lol no it wouldn't. There are some kings with personalities that allow them more energy. Hyperactive is a popular one. Besides, the Vigor meter, like I said, could be restricted to breeding. If the Leopon King's fertility was being lowered, which I suggested ( " in a Trade off for his low fertility" ) then extra breeding energy would be warranted, as both his fert and the lionesses fert would roll and they'd both have to be green for a successful breeding to take place. Besides, you're assuming. I never said anything about HOW the vigor bar would operate. Maybe it refills hours, or daily. I never said. No it isn't. Having a 4% increase isn't going to "drastically" affect anything, especially when FERTILE pons of those generations will be rare to begin with since most existing pons are well past the stage of 3rd gen and ones that are are frozen/dead/too old. The best you're going to get is 1% or even a 2% boost, which again, will drastically affect nothing. Also, this is only with LEOPON females, not all lionesses in general, so I'm not sure why you're bringing up primals. People breeding pons to a pon king would have to pay a hefty fine for that extra chance at 'Pon and then that extra chance really isn't all that much. 0 players like this post! Like? |
MousseMori (#81680)
Hateful View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 11:35:22 |
Support! I'd LOVE to have a breedable pon king whether he could pass on his mutation or not. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Lilytargaryen [online] (#92991) Heartbreaker View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 11:36:53 |
I think Pon Kings should be able to breed like any other King and not pass their mutation. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Enitan [HM] (#18630)
Protector View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 11:37:14 |
I support the first suggestion. Male leopon as "NPM" would work just fine, I think. No different than kinging most mutations (folded ears, achromia, etc.). 0 players like this post! Like? |