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Posted by | Let Male Leopons Breed |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 03:56:04 |
So, recently I bought and Kinged a Leopon boy as a sort of 'final project and achievement' since I don't plan to be here terribly long afterwards after I breed and spread bone lace, bone inverted zebra, and make one final attempt to King a Sextafulv. Possibly to breed mandarin, so if you happen to breed a tigon, give me a tap on the shoulder friend ;) Anyway, back to the suggestion. I noticed....my pon cannot breed. At all. From a realistic standpoint, I can see the justification of this I guess. Male hybrids are often sterile....however the females tend to be fertile. Take the Savannah cat for example. First generation males cannot breed, however once you get around the 5th, 4th, and sometimes even 3rd Generation of Males, fertility can and does return. These males can and do sire kittens. My particular Leopon is a 5th or 6th generation pon and falls well within this range, so if realism is an issue for you, consider that as an argument. Also consider that the way Lioden handles leopons isn't particular realistic either. The only felines who could produce a leopon are a pure blooded lioness and a pure-blooded leopard.. A leopon crossed with a lion would produce a li-leopon or a leopard would produce a leo-leopon, later a li-li-leopon and so on down the line with more and more convoluted names. It should be noted that male leopons have apparently successfully fathered cubs before with other hybrids (ligers to be exact), to produce the Leoliger. There does not appear to be a source for this claim however. So, you see, there is a factual basis for this implementation. As for the actual Implementation, I have two propositions: Simple ImplementationLeopons would operate just as any male would, however inverse of the Primal. That is to say, the females can breed their mutation and pass it along while males would exist and never be able to pass their mutation. A 'pon siring another 'pon would be entirely predicated on the female pon and would be no different than studding to any other male. They'd essential be NPMs (Non-passing Muties) and their mutation would be purely aesthetic. Still, wouldn't it be cool to have a pon as the father of your cubs? So that's one (and I suspect will be the most popular) way we could do it. Generation would not matter in this implementation. A first or 50th generation of pon would be able to breed. Considering there is basis for leopon breeding in reality and Lioden isn't realistic itself, there's no real reason I or any other future pon Kings should be restricted from breeding.
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Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)
Warrior View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 11:51:00 |
I support the first option; no need to go the complicated route. Lets just have hybrids being the inverse of primals. 0 players like this post! Like? |
🌙 Morrígra 🌙 [G1 Mazi RLC] (#33027) View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 14:29:28 |
I'd support the first option of NPM, without the hybrid vigor in any way (yeah...no). With the inclusion of the hybrid vigor and second option of ponxpon bolstering, I'm saying no to the whole suggestion. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 14:55:10 |
Alright, since the second option is getting so much pushback, I've decided to strike it out. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Micah (#76335)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 17:15:42 |
I'm going to support !! I mean, why not? there's literally no downside's that I can think of. Let them breed !! 0 players like this post! Like? |
Katia (#134163)
True King View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-07 04:27:22 |
I'd be alright with leopons being able to breed as long as they are treated as a NPM and they got no hybrid vigor. Otherwise I would reject this. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Bread[G2-4xCelElyisa nPie-4.2k] (#101361) View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-07 05:20:14 |
Maybe there could be a rare item that gives male leopons and other male non passing mutation a chance to on their mutation? Kind of like the male version of Lion scrotum but with a much lower chance with leopons? (Such as 1% or less?) 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-21 05:56:49 |
😸 Chonk 😸 (#54568)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-21 06:09:54 |
I support this, so long as the male leopon has no chance of passing the leopon mutation. I support because: Now that leopons are much more common, and becoming increasingly so, allowing people to king them while not having to sacrifice their kings breedability will help keep leopons values up. Right now, only two people have kinged leopons despite the great aesthetic value of a leopon king, simply because sacrificing the ability to breed to your own king is too great. I never understood why leopon had to be the only non breedable male mutation. I dont see sense in punishing someone for wanting to have a leopon king by not allowing them to breed. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Takoyaki☆ (#48057)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-21 06:20:10 |
No support, also may I know where you got the information about how 6+ generation leopons tend to be more fertile? I looked at the wiki link you took a screenshot of and other sites to check but didn't find any information about 6+ generation leopons being more fertile ;v; 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-21 13:17:26 |
I never said 6+ gen pons tend to be more fertile, I'm fairly certain I said 4+ gen SAVANNAHS tend to be more fertile, and Savannahs -- like leopons -- are felid hybrids. Also, would you say why you dont support? 0 players like this post! Like? |
😸 Chonk 😸 (#54568)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-21 13:35:09 |
If Lioden went the realistic route, EVERY mutation that wasnt hybrid would have to be passable when bred to another lion with that mutation, since mutations are genetic. Some mutations are even dominant so the male could pass it without the female carrying it. We all know that would trash the market so its not a good idea, but allowing a male pon to breed would only impact the market in a positive way (keeping pon values up). The realism argument is weak at this point of the game imo. We have lioness kings and cub kings. They can breed/stud but a leopon cant? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Takoyaki☆ (#48057)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-21 13:44:33 |
Yes but almost every male leopons are sterile no matter what, no? When people mean savannah big cats, they probably mean non-hybrids since leopons tend to be infertile mostly in males. Unless it's actually proven that leopons tend to be more fertile after more generations rather than just normal big cats in general, the no support button will always be pressed by me ^^ 0 players like this post! Like? |
Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-03-23 06:19:39 |
While the only place I could find it was in a book called "Fact. Fact. Bullsh*t!: Learn the Truth and Spot the Lie on Everything from Tequila-Made Diamonds to Tetris's Soviet Roots-Plus Tons of Other Totally Random Facts from Science, History, and Beyond!" (randomly, I own this book, which is why I remember it lol) there is mention of an animal called a Leoligulor that is a hybrid of two hybrids! A male leopon and a female liguar. The first leopon cubs known to have been born never produced any offspring, but there are reports that later male leopons did. Plus, I honestly can't see why it would matter that a male leopon could be king and not pass his mutation. It could only help the whole market if a high value lion was more sought after. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 23/03/18 @ 06:25:27 by Bezthiel #ShrikeHoarder (#81210) |
Snowcat13-G1 Ice-6 cimm (#52694) Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-04-08 14:24:52 |
Agree with Locust - I would support only with your first simple implementation -no chance of passing mutation and no other benefits.. If it was just like any other NPM then I see no harm. It would be cool to have, and maybe help the Leopon market. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Sarkshine (#138592)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-04-08 15:01:22 |