I'd also like to point out there are 7 DU's in TC rn. And 15 leopons only counting unfrozen. So yeah this update feels kinda unnecessary.

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By now I'd rather just take 2 lionesses and GMO cow them, or breed them to a runrise, or whatever it is. It will be SOOOOO much more cheaper than even TRYING to breed one, with the 5% chance. Spend 70-80 GB (Not counting stud fee, going off of what I've seen calculated) for a 5% chance? Smh. I'll go with 2 GMO cows.

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I'm on the fence tbh; 15% will satiate the masses, but the 5% pass rate hasn't had time to be tested. I will revisit this thread in due time, to give the market time to level since I genuinely feel like DU should be kept under wraps and be a mutation that is somewhat hard to achieve. DU sales have completely tanked relative to what they were when they came out, and yes - I understand things lose value when the "shine" wears off - but DU are, what, a month or two old? And they've lost three quarters of their value already. Prices took a nose-dive in the second - third week of people offering reverse breeds, because the pass rate was very clearly quite steady. You cannot go into the TC now without seeing several being sold at a pittance price of 30 - 60GB. In order to just breed one, you're looking at forking out close to that just on breeding items.. Therefore there is currently no profit margin. Just like dwarves.
So while I agree with the adjustment to the previous pass rate, I'd like to take the time to let the dust settle and see what the new pass rates achieve for the economy before I make judgement on it being altered again. It might well serve that the pass rate becomes *too* low; but I honestly don't feel this is the case. With every DU breeding, you have doubled your chances on any mutation solely on the number of cubs produced. Leopon still hold a good place in the current market, and they have even less chance of passing, so I don't feel that DU will suffer exorbitantly from this change. I actually feel the reverse will happen; value will rise by case of rarity - and reverse breeding will once more be a profitable experience, just like it is with Leopon.

So I haven't voted yet, because I've nothing to stack an opinion against until we have results from the current adjustments ^_^ But I am open to supporting once I've seen those results, if they seem to be damaging the economy.

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That's honestly what I'm thinking too laila. Why waste the lion scrote when you're basically just gonna get the same odds CRBing 20-30 lions. There's already requirements to getting it to pass- lion scrote and great tit if you want the best bet but apparently already having to pay to breed them wasnt enough, now you get to pay to breed them with a 5% chance success rate for each female cub. And before people mention leopons again- that can pass to male cubs and be sex changed and they're hybrids with exclusive pass rates for the mutation, bases, and marks. DU is an Amp female exclusive that is being singled out because it can produce more cubs? I thought it was a counter balance to people complaining about 1 cub litters and other usefulness.

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I have to say I am not too happy with this new Friday update that recently happened why nerf the percentage for DU & Kimajano, it’s difficult enough as it is to breed for them! Like really tho! Its already hard as it is for us breeders to breed for special bases & mutations so why single out these two, now after reading the recent update, I now know why everyone else is angered by it, I own both a DU & a Kimajano lioness so this update just made it even more strenuous for me to breed my gals, everything else in the update is ok tho but the staff needs to let us have a voting system in place before making decision like this!

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If you read the Update entirely, it makes sense why it's so low. 15-25% Chance spread over up to 8 cubs? That's just way too much, I understand 5% value because that has so many chances to stack up and DU was intended to essentially be a rare breed-oven lion type. It has SO many breeding possibilities and pros that it honestly did need a few steps back.

And considering it's the Admins releasing and composing the content we get to enjoy, I think they understand how it works better than us, they wouldn't just do this if it didn't make sense.

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But jekt for those chances you need to buy a great tit, and lion scrotum, and buff balls, and even then that's only 6 cubs guaranteed, not 8. Lower it sure but don't lower it so low. This problem will probably arise again when another rare mutation that lion scrots can be used with pop up.

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I don't think you're taking into consideration that DU's are a gateway to huge odds of mutie fodder/stat cub fodders because they offer so much. It's not just the DU mutation that gets a boost even with a small percentile, 5% spread over a bunch of cubs adds up, Plus GMOs or CRBs or Lion meats the breeding options are nearly endless here, DU's were a gift to the community and I think it's kinda wrong to be upset with the Admins for trying to regulate it, DU's aren't a simple mutie, where 5% is low for others, it's not here.

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I usually don't mind or enjoy the updates and am always excited for Friday but as I've said, they lowered the chance for DU by a factor of 80%. They either should make it passable cause only passable muts so low or bring it back to what it was or up to 15%. This was not something that they needed to change and i may not even get another DU just based on the ridiculousness of this update when there were other things they could've adjusted that people actually want adjusted. The mutation has been out for 2 months, they didn't expect the DU population to boom after so many people complain about 1% cubs? Is it even a big deal? It's one of the few helpful mutations for something side from mutie appearance, now its only gonna be helpful if you can even afford the 100 GB for a few more cubs per breeding and the items to pass it :/

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It doesn't "add it". It rolls per cub and doesn't stat. A 95% fail chance per cub is horrible. Most people wouldn't bother breeding a lioness with a fert that low. The only thing that adds up is the gb you waste. It isn't wrong to be upset.

You have a maximum sum chance of 40%. You could pretty reliably wasted two whole energy bards, 20 tries each, trying to breed a lioness with 5% fert and get nothing for your efforts. Also, staff dropped this on us outta nowhere; people are perfectly within their rights to be upset.

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Muties are Not supposed to be easy, nor are they supposed to be efficiently bred/obtained. We're lucky to have Admins that even release new content for us to enjoy and try out, They didn't have to release the mutie at all, While it's okay to be disappointed, condemning the Admins for trying to run their own game and make it work well enough to not have a market crash (again) and keep things alive isn't fair either. Muties are supposed to be rare, difficult, and a pain to breed. Mutations irl are at a fraction of a percent to appear. If Mutie breeding was supposed to be easy- everyone would have a ton and it'd be a worthless goal. The game having some rare value is nice as it gives people things to achieve.

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I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset, it was probably a bad idea for the mods to drop this so suddenly, and they should have thought in advance that DUs would become too common. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be fixed.

I agree with Jekt that DUs provide a lot of options other than just passing on their mutation, that's what makes them valuable in my opinion. But because they provide such an advantage to gameplay, I don't think it's fair to make them easily passable. I mean imagine for a second if someone had a pride of 20 DU lionesses that they used for crb breeding. They'd be guaranteed to never get a single cub litter, and would get double the cubs that a normal pride of 20 lionesses would. This would provide that player with an enormous advantage. I think DUs should be kept at a rarity where something like that would never happen. With the pass rate like it is now, it ensures that DUs will be kept rare. I'm sticking with my suggestion of 10%, although as I've said previously I wouldn't be opposed to it staying at 5.

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Maybe the market crashed like dwarves because of lion balls themselves, because the balls themselves have needed to be nerfed for a while. The chance of lion balls working should be 15%, and du shouldn't be made different. Lion balls have 25% in their description, changing the % specifically for dus was a bad move, AND the new % isn't specified in lion balls description, which is extremely misleading.

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They have an item that let's you pass a mutation at 25, if you put work into getting a mutation that is hard to get then why not be able to have a reasonable chance to be able to breed one yourself? I ain't condemning them but if they're worried about a "market crash" then why not focus on muties that actually have been devalued? Or if they wanna be worried about the market make all lion scrots muties pass at 5%- I'm sure that wouldn't upset anyone(< sarcasm) but nope single out a mutie that's been in play a few months that's extremely useful and i thought it was a counter to people talking about 1 cub litter explosions. Nope now it's an extremely rare cashcow that yeah, staters and such can take advantage of now that accessibility has just been hindered for this one mutie by 80% for no good reason.

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I dont think we should blame Lion scrotums entirely. For the crash of other mutations its the fault of the people.

When someone breeds a dwarf with a Lion scrotum, and a buffalo scrotum only to get one dwarf but turn around and sell it for half the lion scrotums cost is the real problem.

I like lion scrotums so i can keep a mutation in my pride. But people are trying way to hard to gain profits until the mutation is almost worthless.

I get wanting to keep a mutation rare but they kinda went about it the wrong way today is all.

hopefully in a couple days itll all calm down and maybe they can find some middle ground

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