I wanted my DUs for my own purposes, but only having one lion scrote (which is limited to begin with) basically is extremely unlikely for me to breed my own. You already have to pay to pass em so now you have to pay even more and it just don't seem like its worth 100+ GB if passing rates are gonna be shit.

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You guys are acting like its so easy to breed a DU. You realize that without the proper preperation, the chance of failure is high? 25% isn't even 1/3 a chance, plus if there's males in the litter that cub has a ZERO chance to be a DU. So this means you have to get a Great Tit, which are going for like 15gb now. That, along with lion scrotes being about 30 and Buffalo Scrotes being 25 and you've got a breeding that costs like 70gb for the most ideal conditions (and you could STILL fail).

That's more than a Pon's HEAT. For 5%? Absolutely unacceptable.

Muties are supposed to be a pain to breed- says who? There are plenty of mutations on this site that arent at all rare and very easily attainable. Dwarfism is steadily becoming one such mutation, but you dont see people demanding change over that. Also Primals and Piebalds (especially primals) are over-represented. Mutations aren't the majority, but they're definitely plentiful.

Mutations should be challenging but attainable. Making DU 5% is just being ridiculous.

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@jax I agree. I support the 15%. Hopefully they will say something about it soon

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I know right now my hopes of breeding a replacement for my kimajano & DU have gone to waste because of this new update y’all :( I guess I’ll have to freeze my DU & Kimajano when they get too old because they nerfed the percentage for passing to low, now how I’m I gonna obtain another! Already the prices in the trade market for these two have already went high because of this update I guess their gonna end up like dwarfs as well too because we all know what happened when dwarfs came out now their gonna be useless just like dwarfs were

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Was getting ready to breed my DU's today but this update has made me hesitant.
5% Is going to be a pain to pass; leopon v.2

But I do think It was too high before, now It's too low.

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@Somegaydude personally I wouldn't really be opposed to that solution, because like you said other muties such as dwarves have suffered a lot because of it. But as Aleu said, it was also due to people rampantly undercutting prices, and lion scrotums are nice to use for other mutations. Most other mutations aren't worth as much as the value of the lion scrotum by itself, so people don't really use lion scrotums on other mutations quite as often, and it's not a big issue.

@Phantom, you're acting as if it was guaranteed before and now you have no chance. Even after using all the right items back with lion balls were a 25% chance, the only litter I bred was a fail. When you're dealing with mutations, there's always a risk involved, and most of the time it's up to the rng gods. I get that now it's a lot harder, but it's not the end of the world.

And finally, @Jax first off, you're right, it's not that easy, it's extremely expensive to meet the ideal breeding conditions. But those ideal breeding conditions haven't changed as a result of this update. It cost the same amount to meet those conditions yesterday as it did today, only now you're taking more risk with your money. But it's not as it it were impossible for it to fail before.
Also, you keep bringing up that it's more expensive than a pon heat. I don't think that comparison makes any sense in this situation. To meet the ideal breeding conditions for a DU, you need more items, (Lion balls, buff balls, great tit) and for a pon you need less (Just buff balls), but it's not as if you're forced to meet those conditions. And, in most pon breedings, especially those done in February, you're asked to also pay 20 yohimbe barks, which are worth more by themselves than an actual DU lioness.
Mutations are plentiful, and most of them are very cheap as a result. I think keeping the only mutation to provide an actual game play advantage rare and expensive is the best way to go in order to keep people from amassing too many.

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I ain't saying it was guaranteed before. It was a 25% chance per cub. 5% chance per cub as I've said several times now is a factor of 80% that they changed. I'm not overexaggerating- I find this extremely depressing. And currently this mutation is rarer then a pon cause its new but also been growing fast due to breeding for them to pass cause this mutation is of course high demand its very useful. There's barely a point to buying one now that they're already 100+ GB with a shit passing rate that you have to pay in order to have. With a leopon, the buff scrot is optional, the yohimbe is optional. they increase your odds but you don't have to use them in order to have a chance to pass. These you- as jax pointed out- have to pay alot to get them to pass with odds significantly lowed.

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@Quetzel - They haven't, technically, but the chance of success is so low, why would you bother? 95% chance of failing per cub? No, just no. May as well not even take the chance if you ask me. And no one's forcing you, but why would you not want to make your odds the best they can be? I bred a DU two days ago, had all the aformentioned items, and got 3 DUs for my effort. It was a good risk/reward ratio. This ISN'T. It's not a hard concept. At least pons can pass on their own and 4 cub litters can happen on their own too, With DU you have to spend a minimum 30gb to even have a chance and again, without GT and some time of litter boosting item, it's not worth it. The risk FAR outweigh the reward.

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I know right I worked hard to get my DU & Kimajano so why single out the kimajano out of all bases & the DU out of all mutations like really now! Now my own clan that I created & my clan members breeding projects have to suffer because of this low pass rate! I don’t understand the need for this nerf, us special based & mutie breeders already have a hard time as it is breeding for them so why lower the percentage to pass, a lot of people that are agreeing to the recent Friday update probably don’t even have a DU or Kimajano so why make everybody else suffer for those who own one like me, like really tho!

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And on top of that DUs cost 100+ GB now. Would YOU play those odds? I'm a wealthy player and I wouldn't.

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@Jax Same here! I’m a wealthy player as well & I just choose to use my GB wisely other then that I wouldn’t take my chances seeing as it is it’s already hard enough as it is for me to breed my Leopon now we’re adding in DU’s too I don’t know why they would they’d do this to the breeding community, like really tho!

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As I've said previously, DUs are versatile and can be used for more than just breeding other DUs. Yes, I do plan on continuing to breed the ones I have in special scenarios like for stats breeding. And when I do that, sure, I'll throw in lion balls to see if I can get DUs, but it won't be the end of the world if I don't get any. I originally got mine to try and breed the sunrise base anyway, each time I used lion balls in an attempt to get more DUs, but it's not as if that was my only goal. If you don't like the odds of breeding more DUs, then try using them for something else. Even something as simple as a CRB breeding has double the chance of getting some random mutation with a DU than with a regular lioness.

The odds right now may be too low to make breeding DUs for the sake of more DUs a very viable option with lion balls currently as expensive as they are. But DUs are useful for literally any breeding project if you decide to use them for that. And as I have said in all my previous replies to this thread, I believe that having the odds too low is better than having them too high, as they were with them set at 25%. 10% seems ideal to me.

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I guess I’ll have to use my DU as a base marking & stat breeder then as for my Kimajano chances are slim for me on getting another from her :(

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You're missing the point. We're not talking about other breeding projects it could be useful for. We're talking about why the nerf was too extreme. Even YOU seem to think 5% is too low. 15% seems reasonable to me, it's literally the average of 5 and 25.

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I was only bringing up what else it could be used for because you guys are treating it like now it's all hopeless, but there's still a lot you can do with them.

The nerf seems a bit extreme. 15% isn't a bad number. As I've said, I think for numerous reasons that in the long run it's better for the pass rate to stay low, in the best interests of both the DU market and the potential impact DUs could have on other areas of the game. I prefer 10% because it's still on the low side, but it's double 5% so it's still a big improvement from that. I think at this point I've said pretty much all I care to on the subject so I'll be staying out of it for now, though I'll still be reading the replies.

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