All I can say to that is that stats are a hobby as well. Nothing in the game truly dictates you need good stats. Hell, the only thing that mainly has it involved is battling which has very low thresholds, and the May event which everyone hates anyway for being so difficult to use. I have a stud who has HORRID stats, yet I run him out of slots pretty regularly, if not weekly then I get close.

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It's also not crucial to the game to have high stat lions either, though, as Razz also pointed out. Everyone has a goal here, and LD in itself is a hobby. I don't think it needs to be changed just to fix breeding.

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But to get anywhere with the opinion-based pricing on the site having good stats is more likely for a stud request which is a reward.

Well it wouldn't really be changed, just on the same page as leveling up your king except less points.

Razz, your king can pass for having horrid stats because he has a mutation, a special base, and over 10 markings. All things that end up producing low-level mutie cubs that someone would want visually as an heir which leads up back to square one, low stat heir. It's basically the reason we have this issue to begin with. The only time other bases really get attention is for combos, so like everything on the site, it's opinion based. But it's just frustrating for me and other people that muties are purposefully bred with horrid stats. It makes a lot more work for anyone trying to get an eye-candy king. lol

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If it's opinion based pricing, there's someone with the opinion to price low as well, isn't there?

And people purposefully breed muties with horrid stats??

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Sometimes, but I tend to be that person. XD

Generally, yes. By that I mean they put no work into the lioness or cubs that they're trying to get a mutie from; breeding a bad stat lioness just to get a mutation, that sort of thing. Basically doing no work towards stats and just saying "Great it's a mutie I'm gonna sell it" which, yeah. Is agitating. I at least train the cubs a little before I sell them if they're too low.
I'm sure some others train them too, but not many if the amount of poor-stat muties is anything to go by. It's not necessarily a "bad" thing but it's an annoying thing.

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Then with 160,000+ members, there are surely more.

And how can they put work into them when muties aren't a guaranteed chance? All of my muts bred in my pride have been from mass breeding NCL's. How is it agitating if they don't choose to train what they own? Purchase them early and train them yourself if you can, if that's the issue.

Most muts aren't bred from high-stat lions because those are in a lower supply, not to mention leopons, dwarves, etc. have reduced stats by LD itself.

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I disagree. I trained my boy as much as I could in the time before he was kinged over Kipekee, but I chose to create a king with a very wide degree of uses- so he's clean. Third Generation. His grandfather was a heritageless king with the piebald applicator applied to him. So no, he was not bred for stats, he was bred for his mutation, and he was bred for his clean lines. But that's a choice and it's a choice that I made because I wanted to have a king that I could provide to a good many breeders, clean and unclean, mutie breeders, base breeders, and mark breeders. I don't train my cubs because there's no point in it. The few exceptions to this rule is my stat line. My 4900 stat AMP cub was fully trained and reached 5000 stats upon age-up. But because stats do absolutely nothing for lionesses, why would I spend time training a bunch of cubs not explicitly designated as apart of my stat line.

I mean, hell, I don't even breed my 2000 stat cubs because they're not worth the effort. 3000 and up, particularly 4000 and up, those get a lot of training and a lot of hunting. I averaged over 10 hunts on my last line of breeders who just retired, and most gained about 1500 stats over their life from that, but they have no use. They're just a money dump. There's no mechanic for them.

And that reason is why I support this thread. Because there is no point in me dealing with the lionesses I have right now unless they are specifically my stat line and those ladies have no use even the way they are because female stats play no role in the game almost at all. With this suggestion implemented I would have a bit more reason to start hunting lionesses that aren't just apart of the useless money wasting statline I have right now. But it wouldn't help breeding almost at all and as such I'm not supporting for that aspect of it. It might help you just a bit but I don't believe that that's what it would bring most to the game.

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Not enough. Most of the site is pretty same-minded, sadly.

Well because if you have a mutated king/stud in mind and just throw any lioness at him you're going to get low stats. If you're trying to breed one worth selling, using an item to up the mutation chance is usually the way to go. Depending on the item you use you could get that GB back by selling the cub with everything fairly rounded.

True, but people who get leopons and drawves tend to keep them until they're 12 with no real extra training and then try to re-sell them. Which if fine except selling a 12 year old lioness is a pet peeve for me.

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Then that's their chosen playstyle and you have yours. I don't think it's fair to want to change a system purely for breeding or anything similar or economy reasons because people choose to do something different.

And I didn't have either in mind - my king was completely basic, rolled, etc. How do you figure basic muts like AMPs or Achromia are worth Lion Meat or GMO Cows?

And they're allowed to sell their lions when they want to. lol

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That's just the problem, there is no system. Leveling up should actually DO something. This isn't "adding a system" this is just tuning an already in-place system very slightly. Even I know it's not a big thing in terms of coding to adjust the result of a process already in place with a simple addition of action in the codes.

I didn't specify any breeding item. Cotton Root counts and that's super cheap in comparison.

Yes, but I'm allowed to think it's very agitating. lol

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Oh, the math was just for me too keep my place/get corrected if I was wrong. Or for anyone that isn't aware of stat passing mechanics; I assumed you were, since that's most people who make stat suggestions.

I'm still on board with having lioness levels be something other than bragging rights, but seeing it pointed out above made me take a second look at my looks breeders. The only ones above level 1 are broodmothers. Like Ally and Razz, I have 4-5 hunters that I use to breed decently statted replacers (mine are clean for a clean stat project). And for the most part, the broodmothers barely reach level 10 before they're retired. That's a gain of 0-1 stats for the majority of my looks breeder cubs.

I'm just convinced it won't have the vast and wide reaching effects you're hoping for at the low end. It'd probably just skew stats higher for the few people that have the time/money to get their lionesses up to level 40+.

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I'm on the fence about this as they already do gain stats when you hunt, but this would be very useful if your lioness just aged up and missed the 75% cub training bar. Particularly since many players have more than two adolescent lionesses at one time and can't get them all trained before they age up.

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No support. My first lioness (who I got with 25 STATS) is now around 800 stats. When I got her she was a little over 3, and now she's a little over 14. When I first joined, I barely hunted (probably twice a day) and she still has high stats. If it's that easy, the stat market shouldn't be messed up.
For reference, she's a level 23 so with your system she would gain 132 stats over her life so far. That would bring her close to 1000. And she still has time left to gain more.

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@TheOakWoods
In theory she could gain more BUT she is unbreedable now so her gaining more is pointless. This thread's been quiet for a long long time but I figure I should point that out to ya for the sake of argument <3

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(rip I didn't see the last post date I guess it was bumped because it was on the second page)
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My point isn't her specifically. In 11 years I raised a lion almost 800 stats from casual play. A lion who was born with even 100 stats would have ridiculous potential with this.

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