I imagine it's the same as kimanjano - hybrid bases are meant to be rare, and they have always been that way. That being said, if it has an additional cut that kimanjano doesn't due to being medium then perhaps that could be removed.

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_{yes pls fix medium}

Seriously, support. Mandarin did not need both an overall hybrid base nerf and to be stuck in medium. Just a wtf move there.

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It is the same difficulty as kimanjano, yes, but it is much harder to breed due to being a medium. Kimanjano fails within its category, but mandarin fails within its category, or dark, or light. It is nearly impossible to breed without using a crunchy worm, at the moment.

Full support ofc, thank you for making this, Bere

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Mandarin hasn't passed once in over 400 cubs. That's an insanely low amount and I know that a lot of people are breeding with Golden Mediums to try and up the chances.

Definitely supported. There's rare and there's impossible. Mandarin is definitely edging toward "impossible without a Crunchy Worm and some luck".

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There wasn't even a reason to nerf the passing rates to begin with - I wish it would just be able to be passed normally. :/

Support!

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support! it shouldn't be easier to breed a tigon with the base than actually pass the base

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I wish albino was nerfed like that. Thanks for listening to your community I guess.

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I came looking for this. I understand as a special mute base it should be hard to breed and i like a challenge, but this nerf made it outrageous and near impossible to do so casually.

I used to keep a mottled kima king, and for almost 2years and a few rep replacers i rarely saw the base pop up as it was. I don't particularly breed with items, so they were usually natural and out of 100 cubs i could barely average 1 kima cub per king lifespan. Let's not even mention breeding the base WITH the mark, that wasn't happening naturally. But the occasional hard to get kima cub was fun, it was a lovely surprise and people were willing to pay for the chance, stud slots would go decently too because there was an actual chance. And i genuinely enjoyed it being uncommon.

I just acquired a beautiful mandarin with mottled I'm excited to king, i love golden bases, which is good because it's pretty much a trophy base since the nerf. The chance was needlessly nerfed and after examining the current kings, who like Anthax's have 300+ cubs and only 1 mandarin? That's outrageous. You literally cannot naturally breed the base, almost every mandarin was bred with items or mut and unless you're genuinely dedicated to the base you aren't going to bother. It took kima years to reach more than one page of studs. I cannot imagine such a level of rarity was the true intention here. This nerf was unnecessary and essentially makes mandarin little more than a trophy base acquireable year round unlike such trophy bases as temporal but requiring a larger array of items and interest to procure.

I fully support this suggestion. Hybrid bases should not have been nerfed at all and I'd really like the staff to consider that they tried it, it didn't quite work out and they consider replacing it how it was. Unless this playstyle of breeding for the base was their goal.

I like rare things in game, I'm a casual player so i don't get crazy with breeding items and projects myself so it's nice to get the occasional rare thing to pop up and with all the breeding items we get in game to greatly improve odds of most anything you want in breeding I'm totally on board for some difficulty but this is just impossible levels. It is a lovely base and mark, but pretty much makes any breeding projects a no go.

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Kimanjano is also impossible to get since they changed the pass rate

I support if Kimanjano gets edited to

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That'd require another thread @Starrats, this one is due to Mandarin having the added difficulty of being Medium, unlike Kimanjano which is Dark.

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True but honestly both were technically nerfed because they're hybrid bases. Mandarin is next to impossible because of being medium but if one is fixed it stands to reason both should be because they are technically from the same category as hybrid bases and were nerfed for the same reasons. If one hybrid base is fixed both should honestly be.

Mandarin just gets the worst end of the stick for being medium. Also since the nerf happened before mandarins release we also lack data on its potential passing before too which is a shame.

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As far as I understand there was no "nerf", so to speak, there was nobody waking up one day and saying "oh wait, let's make this even more difficult to breed". Kimanjano began its existence with such low chances of passing - I read in some old guide that it was less than a 1% chance of passing without a leopon involved - then somewhere down the line the code borked and the base's chances of passing became higher, somehow. This suggestion is not intended to make hybrid bases in general easier to pass without the hybrid parent involved, but for Mandarin in particular to have some sort of "Medium genetics bypass" so it is not literally impossible to pass without a Crunchy Worm because, on top of it being a hybrid base, it has the added difficulty of being Medium.

If you guys want to make your own suggestion to sort out the hybrid bases thing in general, be my guest - I'll most likely support - but please don't ask me to change what the suggestion is about.

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@Berelf

You're entirely wrong about Kimanjano not being nerfed, and here is the proof:

Official Lioden News Post

Specifically this quote from the post:

"* Kimanjano *
Kimanjano’s pass rate has also been lowered. The rate remains the same if the mother is a Leopon as well as the cub, but is lowered if the cub is not a Leopon, and then lowered again if the mother also isn’t a Leopon."

Mandarin follows Kimanjano's current pass rate--the nerfed one, but obviously using Tigons instead of Leopons. Regardless of where the genetics fall on the color scale.

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Just hopping in to say this suggestion is for mandarin and not kimanjano, as Bere has said already. ^^

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@PranCerb

Both follow the same genetic code though. Why would the staff work hard to specially code in a Medium-only bypass filter (making putting the base in Medium utterly pointless to begin with), when they could just slightly alter the rates?

Unsupporting for a specific filter. These bases both have abysmal pass rates and they need to be adjusted as a whole. There have been maybe 1 or 2 natural Kimanjano cubs born since the nerf in July and 0 - 1 (id have to ask the breeder to know) natural Mandarin.

The whole system needs an adjustment.

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