i see,, i think permanently banned accounts should be completely wiped though, as they won't serve a purpose for anyone and will only slow down the server

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I'm neutral with this. I would prefer if the duration before an account got wiped was a year - which ensures that the banned user has had plenty of time to potentially plead their case.
I would also thoroughly disagree with any more ID auctions. I just feel that it is in bad taste and would risk there being an incentive for the permanent banning of older players.

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I agree with this to a point.
I'm okay with items getting deleted from the banned account. But not the lions.
I have many cubs from my past kings that are sitting in a den on a banned account, never to be used on lioden. Many of them I think are really nice.

So what i think should happen in the field of lions, is that before an account is deleted after the ban time, the cubs/lions in the dens are sent to the den the of lions sire.
As an example, my former king Ukarimu,who was my 3rd king overall, is the sire of 5 lions who's pride's are listed as "unknown"
And Ukarimu's father/sire is my 2nd ever king Mkaidi, who also has 2 cubs who's pride is listed as unkown. And those cubs are still considered newborns as they are 0 months old.

Even on my side account, my 4th king, Akaon, a 3.4k smilus, most of his cubs prides are unknown.
I say this as I really wouldn't mind getting these cubs in my prides.

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I support the original suggestion, would not mind Perma banned accounts being wiped completely after a time period sufficient for the person to plead their case (>1 yr) to free up server space.
No transferring items off of the account in any manner, no transfer of lions or any value/good the account has (no re-distribution of lion ID, either). Just, gone.
If the account isn't taking up server space, then there's no need for it to be wiped in my eyes, but as i'm pretty sure it does I would love to see the LD servers freed up a bit. ^^


I Heavily disagree with the above users' suggestion about transferring lions off of banned accounts. They are not your lions, you can't control them and they should not be transferred to your account, ever. It sucks to see "pretty lions go to waste" or have your King's heritage/lineage/cubs/family-line messed up, but they are Not yours.
Either the user paid for their breeding, bought them, even if you gave them to them freely as a gift- they are not yours.
I'd rather see the permabannned account left alone completely than anything similar, and while i'm sure that staff would not do this I felt the need to comment because "I support" can sometimes be seen as supporting an entire thread/conversation as it progresses, not just the first post, and I wanted my vote to show support for where it was intended.
A compromise where the items are wiped but not the lions doesn't really free up much server space given all the data stored and I think the entire account would be better off taken out of the game. "Hidden" at the very least if not completely wiped.

Edit: Added clarification to original support of things being wiped for server space, Thank you for your understanding this last bit was just a very big Noooo for me.

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Having stuff stay on permabanned accounts is a waste of server space that could be better utilized elsewhere. Provided that there really is no way that a permabanned account can be "pardoned", I'd say this is a perfectly just and acceptable move.

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Huge support! This is a very good idea.

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fully support! i think a 6-12 month waiting period would be better than a shorter one, in case someone appeals.. just my add on. overall, awesome idea! supported:D

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They don't already do this? I think they've done it for some.

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Not after a certain time, if permanently ban.

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I'm also supporting this idea as I cant be the only one who gets sick to the back teeth of looking for a nice stud only to see the owner is permabanned

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No support, what if the staff begins to reconsider a banned account's ban after 6+ months?? Also, rare items AND/OR a mutie could exist on a banned account and would be lost due ro this, so if it would happen, it would HAVE to be raffled off ( mutie cubs/adols to the tree, adult males to somewhere ( could be raffled off in an official lioden raffle, lionesses being a RLC ) because they are probably worth so much, and could be the only one of such mutation in game!

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Also, I'm a firm believer that we should archive so nothing could go lost media like so many unfortunate pieces of media before us.

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Full support.
Freeing up space from lions and items would be great for the server.

And, Readytest - it's not like the lions are any kind of poems, books or articles that need to be preserved. It's just a pixel lion. Same with the items - just pixel items, no actual media/information that will be lost. Also a perma banned account stays perma banned if the person did not appeal the ban, especially after 6+ months. It also stays perma banned if it was a multi account or was used in other ways to break rules of the site. So no, I do not think they would reconsider the ban after 6+ months, it will just sit there eating up space for images/items stored on it.

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Muts also are very rare -- one less mutie could mean extinction of a mutation in verily rare cases where there's not more than one mut

Also, there's always a chance the admins could reconsider their actions against a permabanndd account after 6+ months, so it's better safe than sorry in my case.

Every lion is different, they all look different, yes, if all our lions looked so similar, I would support deleting banned accounts' lions, I do support deleting items from banned players, only if the banned player requests for that. Plus every lion from the banned player's pride would probably work kinda like a wild dragons in a certain other game -- have no pride -- BUT can't be lured into another player's pride or be traded off.

Yes Lions aren't poems, books, or articles,, BUT lost media comes in ALL forms of media, artwork, images, videos, movies, TV shows, webshows, comics, etc etc. So we should keep those lions on the site BUT not in a pride. I think there should also be a wild dynasty where all permabanned deleted accounts' dead lions should reside. Lions also tell their own stories in some way.

Lions have a lineage of their father, mother, siblings, and ancestors. They could also have their own offspring, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and on and on.

Studs belonging to a banned account should stay open to studding, and an the stud request should be auto-accepted. I see this as a win-win for us.

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That would only cause an influx of lions that can be easily recreated by putting a request for raffle lioness marks/base etc. in respective thread and doing a breeding project. Quite a few of my friends are actually doing that.

As for mutations - no mutation will go "extinct" on Lioden. The non-passable muts are all to chance algorithm, which means there is always a chance for one to pop up. So far on LD we have 755,470 mutated lions, total living that have less than 10 are only the lethals with one being over 10 and it being the deaf mutation. And lethals usually get either frozen aka "killed" to become trophies or die anyway, all of the others range from 15+ to thousands. Passable muts will happen for as long as there are MoD's for the mutation or lions with it, like hybrids. Or, with hybrids - as long as the random chance is there from algorithm.

The heritage in game is nowhere near close to the "lineage", as many have not named lions, ones that don't exist and so on. Clogging up server space for sentimentality like that, for something that is basically a pet sim game, is counterintuitive considering the server costs. Especially with the influx of new players and game generated plain lions they will need space for. Not to mention that lions on perma banned accounts cannot be seen after a year passes, as a king's name is then reset to "free" it for someone else to use - so basically they take up space AND cannot be seen by anyone who doesn't have a direct link to them, as the main page of the account just shows up as blank with a "this lion doesn't exist" box. Just like this page here of my friend who hasn't been on for a really long while due to life being in the way.

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