Oh it 100% is TERRIFYING. The CS community and the drama surrounding the pound is part of the reason I DON'T want redistribution going on here.

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Ima be honest, I don't know what that game is, but it doesn't surprise me there are serious issues in relation to redistributing.

No matter how you do it, there will always be issues with such. Personally, if we allow redistributing of items, this opens a whole new door to beggers and players feeling entitled to those items. Not everyone will be pleased with how items are distributed and there will likely be a huge divide that causes other issues in the game.

It sucks that some items/lions would go to waste due to this, but at the end of the day, those lions and items were no ones elses but the person who got banned.

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The other thing about CS is that it kind of has to recirculate pets from banned/deleted accounts since there will never be a way to get them again otherwise. There's a finite amount of the oldest rares. Not the case for LD, where everything that isn't a unique release (Super Blue Blood Moon, Garland of Rebirth, etc.) can always be reobtained in whatever event or bred for again.

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That makes sense i guess. Luckily lioden isnt like that. Even if a RL is lost, it can be reobtained, tho it may be expensive.

But to me thats another reason why it makes no sense to redistribute items/lions

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Silo -

December 18th exists as a way to keep those pets in circulation. While the items make sense, the pets wouldn't poof.

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@Jenova I did think of mentioning Dec 18 but didn't know if it was actually that effective at keeping old pets around, so didn't say anything abt it^
I really do wish some items on LD worked like they do on CS. Terrified to use my unique decors since I don't want to waste them :')

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I do feel you with the decors. I get why they're not unlimited use, but boy do I wish they were unlimited. I'm so indecisive, it's like placing a sticker.

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I mean, with decors being limited uses here is so that people will participate in the events to get more, it's basic tactic of engagement in games that connect some rpg, simulation and collecting game elements.

The problem with redistribution from banned accounts is that it would cause a lot of anger/resentment in those who don't get any of it. Let's look at options of redistribution:

- Raffle: it could crash the server due to so many items, not to mention people could join multiple raffles and win more than once

- Tree: as above - the amount of items could crash the site, being able to grab one item per hour, the tree would be clogged for days so someone who would camp it would be able to get a lot of items

- Redistribution at staff's discretion: people still would be able to look up lions in the search, pester or attack users who get them, attack staff for being "unfair" or not "objective" in redistributing said lions - also adds way too much on top of everything that is already on staff's shoulders like the recode, art updates and so on

Deleting the items and lions would free up server space, old raffle girls could be used as inspiration for what marks would need a re-release in certain slots once they end up deleted along with other lions from banned accounts that share the markings and slots. It will also help with price gauging for the market because we would have somewhat accurate amount of actual specific items available to userbase.

Which is why a wipe of perma banned accounts should be done. Especially if it's for some pretty heavy rule breaks like multiaccounts which means the multiples that are over the limit allowed per user won't be unbanned no matter what.

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Still, No support. I think we have a better solution to just deleting or redistributing lions. Wild lions.

Like in a certain dragon game I won't say the name of, there are some dragons that do NOT belong to anybody, these are called 'wild dragons' and are just wild, not belonging to anybody, maybe these lions could be called 'lone lions' or something, that'd be good. I think this would be a win/win, the items are wiped, but the lions still exist as 'wild lions' and don't contribute to prices because they just are there, Deceased lions stored in a banned account's dynasty should have the same treatment, I think there should be a thing called 'The Wild Dynasty' where all Deceased lions of banned accounts would reside in.

I think there should be a new place in the crossroads that'll take you to these 'wild lion' home, you can only see them, nothing else.

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What would be the point of leaving useless lions to just look at, though? Imo, it's nothing more than a huge waste of server space, and I can imagine the servers aren't at all cheap to handle rn. You pay for dynasty slots for a reason, if every lion was dynastied, the servers would also be bogged down. Having what could potentially be thousands of lions essentially frozen for free is detrimental to the site, imo. And as the site keeps growing, I fear that archiving all these lions is what will eventually lead to its downfall as the servers become too expensive to maintain. I know of a certain different petsite currently facing this issue, and of an rp-site that had to completely rewrite everything to fix the issue just a few years back.

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It would be very rare for an account to be banned and wiped tho, if that's not implemented, I don't support.

Plus, isn't deleting assets just the same as **touching** assets??

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Not really. I can almost guarantee that ~50% of the Lioden accounts belong to users who are banned or have otherwise quit. That is a LOT of accounts, and with the amount of existing players, I can safely assume that ~5 accounts are banned from the site daily.

Deleting assets wouldn't be 'touching' them, it's be considered to be server/site maintenance, for the health of the site.

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I support this except for the lion wipe.

My reason is because it can affect lineages and how they read, but also sentimental value.
For example, I have a few lions from a previous stat leader heaveryweight and having their king's name in the lineages means something to me because they taught me a fair bit about the game, leveling and economics. I don't know why they got banned and don't want to know. It's not my business. But the lions ought stay as they are.

But also if these lions are wiped, it can result in lineages which are dirty reading as clean, producing skewed results.

If there was a way to preserve ONLY lineage markers in these lions but wipe all other data, I'd support fully.

But for items, branch listings, etc? Just wipe it.

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I mean, wiping the lions would essentially just be like if they died, so they'd still stay in heritages and such, they'd just be listed as deceased

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Yharnam -
Seconding McMac, if you click on a lion like HOT HOT TATER TOT in heritage, you'll notice you can't view that lion. If you click on an ncl lion, most of the time they'll just show as deceased as well, and you won't be able to physically see the lion. If they were to wipe, I imagine those lions would be given 'deceased' status like when folks purge NCLs.

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