Posted by More Variety in Base Categories

Desolace, Colorbomb (#36375)

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2019-06-29 04:08:43
The new bases are really pretty lately.

I feel though that many are being lumped too generally, and with green bases as a possibility, I feel the game needs more variety in the base categories.

I think it would make more sense in targeted base breeding as well. And combo bases could have a more broad spectrum for breeding.

Heres an example:

BROWN
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RED

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PURPLE

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BLUE

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BLACK (I personally feel white should also have its own category or be moved into cream)
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Also...mulberry needs to have a marking app!

https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429286928&page=1

This discussion is VERY similar to what Im talking about, but would go by color rather than shading.



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 05:47:08 by Desolace, Nadir Ferus (#36375)

Rev (#33930)

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2019-06-29 14:29:46
I think this would be cool in theory, but right now I'm seeing some problems. A few of my bigger concerns are:

1) Changing base genetics would change a lot of breeding plans. For example, if I was breeding Nuummite, perhaps, I could no longer rely on Nuummite x Ebony for a good chance at it. I would have to rework all of my lionesses to suit my goals again.

2) If I'm seeing this correctly, this would make certain combo bases even more challenging, which I'm not really a fan of. Breeding Elysians is already hard enough.

3) There's a huge difference in how bases are sorted. All of the Dark Purple bases are special, and none of the Dark Black bases are. Pretty much every Blue base is special.

I hope these make sense, they're a little rushed, but please let me know if I'm seeing any of these incorrectly!



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Desolace, Colorbomb (#36375)

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2019-06-29 14:46:54
Keep in mind it really is an example. It was thrown together because as an artist is rubs me wrong to see a color spectrum in such disarray looking at the bases lumped into such limited categories. Locust and Labradorite are .

Combos would remain the same, they would still have the same bases requirements, but the original bases might end up in different categories. So elysian and ebony would STILL require the same bases to produce, but elysian would, maybe, fall into the blue category. So the bases requirements would be the same. Only the originating categories would change.

This might even eliminate some of the issues "medium" breeders face with percentages of special bases passing in the medium group. I feel bad for those guys.

I imagine, some "special" bases, for example, maroon would end up like onyx where it was changed into "uncommon"

But more bases are being released all the time, so these categories would fill up pretty quick I think.

With green possibly coming out, it does NOT belong in ANY of the existing groups, and if it were combo, would it not be logical to have a blue and gold group be the required bases to pass green?



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Edited on 29/06/19 @ 14:49:22 by Desolace, Nadir Ferus (#36375)

Rev (#33930)

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2019-06-29 15:06:34
I definitely understand that they would require the same bases, but for example Blue x Black would throw a blue or a black, Black x Black would always throw a black. So now there's a chance, aside from Shades/Gradients/Rarity, that it could simply be in the wrong category off the bat. Though this is already something for some combo bases, I believe, so it's not as big as a deal-breaker for me as the others, just something that bothers me a little bit.

Could you explain how this would help medium breeders? I guess I'm just a little confused on that, since these color categories wouldn't be necessarily changing the dark/medium/light, just... The colors, right? For example, Interstellar would simply go from being Black Solid Dark Special to Blue Solid Dark Special?

Personally, I would not want to see green as a blue/gold combo. I can't quite explain my reasoning on that yet, but I'll try to add to this once I've gathered my thoughts some more!



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Desolace, Colorbomb (#36375)

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2019-06-30 05:38:25
So currently, people who breed medium special bases, (from my understanding,) get more random bases because of the 15% chance of a light & 15% dark. Some folks are frustrated because they dont want 30% of their results to be in a range they dont even use within their dens. So if someone is breeding Rhino (Black Solid Medium Special) to say, a Lilac (Black Solid Medium Special), theres a 30% chance it wont even throw a medium base at all, but instead a Dark or Light base from either side of the Solid spectrum.

Now, from my understanding, this means they have an immediate 30% penalty when trying to get a special medium base. Right off the bat, theres a 15% Light & 15% Dark set of bases thrown into the mix. So when trying to breed for special bases within medium, they dont get the same results as people in the LightxLight or DarkxDark.

When I breed my lions, I use the Dark Solid category and consistently breed from that group, I get ebony and onyx regularly, I breed for Nadir and Ebony, so thats great. I get 100% in my category. However, a king with a Rhino base or any Medium base, despite breeding within his category, often can get bases from either side, whether it be obsidian, or birch, both common, or Ashen or Ebony, both special, even though hes breeding for more Rhino or Lilac. I read once that it makes breeding medium special bases more like combo bases in their results. Some people feel medium x medium should breed only medium bases, with no influence from light or dark.

Some people feel this isnt fair.

Im conjecturing, that with a more specific grouping of colors, this might help the medium breeders get more consistent breeding results, and maybe, just maybe, if they make broader color groupings, they can solve this issue at the same time.

(http://liodenwiki.wikidot.com/genetics#toc5)

Dark x Dark = Dark
Light x Light = Light
Dark x Light = 25% Dark, 25% Light, 50% Medium
Medium x Medium = 15% Dark, 15% Light, 70% Medium
Dark x Medium = 50% Dark, 50% Medium
Light x Medium = 50% Light, 50% Medium

As for gold x blue = green, its in the painting spectrum, mix yellow and blue and you get green, but for lack of a "yellow" category, gold would be in place of yellow, therefore gold x blue = green. But as more green bases possibly could be added, a green category of its own might be best.

Natural breeders too might enjoy not having to worry about breeding strange colors, like maroon, if they wanted to stay away from rainbow colorbomb lions. Cream, White, Black, Blue, Red, Purple, Green, Brown, Gold might make variety more interesting, with a large array of bases that would fall into combo categories that made more sense. Crossing between Blue and Black would make some interesting combos, especially since it seems more and more new bases are being released as combos anyhow.

As I said before, its all theoretical, hypothetical, but to me makes more sense than lumping blue lions into black or purple lions into red, or green lions into golden, and pink lions into cream.



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Edited on 30/06/19 @ 05:40:47 by Desolace, Nadir Ferus (#36375)







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