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Posted by | Combo Base Factor Fails |
Atlaz (#128752) Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2019-11-03 21:26:47 |
Most of the current combo base information is listed in this thread made by Berenos! I used some information from this thread when making this suggestion Lil Backstory; I love breeding for combo bases, and while I do enjoy seeing the many fails you can get when doing so, ending up with a bunch of chestnuts, titaniums, slates, and other fails when breeding for Elysian gets old.. It got me thinking and I may have come up with an idea to make combo breeding more rewarding and worthwhile. What if.. when you breed a combo base.. say Elysian, with itself or one of its factors, you have a chance of getting ANY of its factors as a possible fail roll. It couldn't be exploited via mass breeding with NCLs. It would only work if you bred the combo with itself or one of its factors. I think that it would be nice to have a chance to not have your work go completely to waste with an all-dud litter. This wouldn't damage the market since as it would naturally be a small chance and most applicator/rare/uncommon bases don't sell for much in the trade center. Recently with how bad the market has been for any special bases that aren't currently "sought after". Overpopulation wouldn't be a problem either, as most combo bases aren't special/rare, and breed-only bases such as lilac wouldn't be applicable in the situation. More is explained below~ The odds would look a little like this- ( "parent base" x "parent base" = "cub base options" ) Elysian x Elysian = Fails, Elysian, Ice/Divine/Ebony In the event that a factor is bred to the combo base, the factor used would roll before the other factors! If it's a combo x combo pairing, any eligible factors would be rolled at random. Nadir x Ardor = Fails, Nadir, Ardor, Rhodonite/Ebony (Black rose and Hellebore excluded as they're combo/breed-only bases themselves) ------------------------ - To avoid overpopulation and market crashing, ANY raffle(aka special breed-only) bases would be excluded unless included in the initial breed. Reason being they are BREED-ONLY, meaning to pass, at least one parent has to have the base. So only Rares, Uncommons, Commons, and Applicator special bases would pop up if not used. - If implemented, it would not come into play when breeding two factors together. This could be heavily exploited in game and that is the last thing we want so you can ONLY get other factors when breeding the actual combo to one or itself. -------------------------- A few more examples to clarify~ Rough summary without the filler- Combo x Combo/Factor breeding within their required times (if applicable) will produce ANY of their factors that. - This will ONLY work with Combo x Combo/Factor pairings. Factor x Factor pairings will only produce fails, themselves or the combo. - Where applicable, other combo bases used as factors would also be excluded from the rolling as they are breed-only and combos themselves. - Due to requiring at least 1 parent to to have the base, Raffle/Breed-only special bases would only be included in the rolling if they were used in the initial breed. They can NOT pop up in a breed they were not involved in. (See spoiler for examples) - Special x Special/Rare/Uncommon/Common passrates still apply. So you'd have a higher chance to get the special fails if you breed Special x Special For Seasonal/Restricted Bases: - If Combo x Factor are bred OUT OF SEASON, only fails and the factor used may pass. - When bred IN SEASON, breeding combo x combo/factor acts like any other. Uncertain, looking for opinions- If bred OUT OF SEASON, Combo x Combo may have a chance to pass fails, combo, and factors. - This applies to ALL seasonal, weather, or time-of-day bases. Lemme know what ya think ^^ |
Rolling for Sept (#125490)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2019-11-03 21:40:47 |
Atlaz (#128752)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2019-11-03 22:06:36 |
basically when you breed a combo to itself or a factor you have a smol chance of getting cubs with other factors For example if you breed an Elysian king to an ice lioness, you have a chance to have cubs that are either ice, divine, or ebony base, as well as a chance for an actual Elysian ;v; I'm cleaning this up and it's kinda hard to explain with words @v@ I have seen it in other games, you breed some combos together and you can get factors as fails out of the breeding 0 players like this post! Like? |
Rolling for Sept (#125490)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2019-11-03 22:08:20 |
I mean.... that can kinda happen in a sense? Elysian x Ice can give you an ice. The only thing about it dropping an ebony or divine is that it could lower the market because of overpopulation. We all know there's already so many lions with a base in a game, don't want to add to that by allowing something like Ely x Ice to have a chance to pop a divine. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Atlaz (#128752)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2019-11-03 22:13:09 |
It would only work with factor bases, so unless someone managed to mass breed a bunch of factors to a combo, which most combos have uncommon/rare/common base factors that.. aren't really that rare/uncommon, then it wouldn't be TOO much of a problem ;v; Plus all of the other fail bases would have higher chances, just like with any special x special breeding 0 players like this post! Like? |
Robin (BLM) - Gen4 Cinnabar (#171993) Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2019-11-03 22:22:43 |
I mean, I support, but I have bred an Alabaster trying to get Rose Gold through a Velvet x Alabaster breeding so this is probably already a thing 0 players like this post! Like? |
Atlaz (#128752)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2019-11-03 22:39:01 |
Alabaster has a small chance of passing its base, as well as Velvet as a small chance of passing its base! So you can get either base fails from either factor's genetics (In your case cream and black) or you can get one of the actual factors you used just like in any normal base x base breeding, or you can get the actual combo! if this were implemented then you could breed Rose gold to Velvet and get fails(black or red), Rose Gold, Velvet, or Alabaster/Sha Though I am not sure how well this would work since factor combos are a little different than standard combos TvT They may not apply! 0 players like this post! Like? |
nebula/ferrous π«π§¬ (#434371) Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-30 05:59:16 |
okay, i know this topic is old but it is genius to clarify, you mean if you breed haze x majivu, you have a chance at getting ukame as a "fail"? heck yes. it'll give those failed combo breedings a bit more of a meaning, and it will make getting new factors much easier. this will also be a fun little "compensation reward" for not getting the base you want! 1 player likes this post! Like? |
π Neon Genesis π (#164933) Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-30 06:04:48 |
With how in-shambles the base market is nowadays, I can't see making the other factors pass a 'game-breaking' addition. Full support. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Atlaz (#128752)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-30 23:29:14 |
Omg this thread is so old I thought it was dead for good! I guess now with all the in-game changes that have happened since it came out it would work out better than it would have back when it was made? Very much agreed on the market being absolute poo, hardly any applicator based lions go for more than 10gb from what I've seen, so it definitely wouldn't break the market anymore than it already is. Heck it may even help it if combo bases go back in style. I need to update the thread and stress the whole "this only happens when combo x combo factor pairings are done" so it's clear that it still takes work, can't be abused via mass breeding, and if you end up with fails there's a slightly higher chance to get something decent out of it for your efforts rather than just.. duds. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Atlaz (#128752)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-31 00:34:01 |
I've updated and clarified points! @Nebula I am so sorry I missed your comment earlier and it wasn't super clear in the post. Unless the pairing included Ukame, it would not pop up as a rolled option. Same with other combo/breed-only factors. This is to keep to the "at least 1 parent must have this base for it to pass" aspect of raffle bases, and to avoid a market crash. Majivu x Dusty producing an Ukame would bring up some big problems and could very easily be exploited, especially since Dusty is a super common base. Who knows though, If this is implemented maybe staff will take some creative liberties and make it so any and all factors can pass lol 0 players like this post! Like? |
nebula/ferrous π«π§¬ (#434371) Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-31 05:33:38 |
ohhh, well that would happen anyway if ukame was in the pairing i don't think i ever mentioned dusty though i mentioned haze, which is also a combo base 0 players like this post! Like? |
Atlaz (#128752)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-31 08:41:28 |
I mentioned dusty because it is one of the factors for Majivu and used it as an example. Haze is a breed-only/raffle base, so the same thing applies to it that would to Ukame; unless it was involved in the breed it would not show up as an optional "fail" 0 players like this post! Like? |
nebula/ferrous π«π§¬ (#434371) Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-31 09:48:37 |
Oh, then changing to no-support. This suggestion makes no sense then because you can get Ukame in a Ukame x Majivu anyway 0 players like this post! Like? |
Atlaz (#128752)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-31 10:33:44 |
I never said that you wouldn't get ukame if you bred ukame x majivu? I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean here lol. I said you wouldn't get the breed-only (aka at least 1 parent HAS to have the base for it to pass) base out of a breed that it's not involved in. I clarified my points multiple times in the suggestion. 0 players like this post! Like? |
nebula/ferrous π«π§¬ (#434371) Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-10-31 11:14:05 |
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