Posted by [Feb] Maneless Male
Lily (#136386)

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2020-02-02 10:08:27
We all know the infamous maneless male lion encounter where you encounter a male, rejected by a lioness because he lacks a mane. You get two options 'Dude looks like a lady' and 'He's oddly cute'. Both anger the male and neither seem like a good option. Well, this was removed this year and I have a new encounter idea because I'm the odd one who misses this little bald baby!

Option one - Comfort
Result (I thought up a few, lemme know what you guys like the best):
R1: He is hesitant at first, worried you'll just make fun of him but quicky warms up to you and your warm words. The two of you wind up grooming each other and you compliment his lack of hair, saying it's much easier to manage. (+10% energy, +1 Frivolous Thoughts, +1 Heart shell)
R2: You offer him a word of advice on how to make up for his lack of hair with his other assets. He seems much happier as he trods off, but not without leaving you a small gift first. (+1 Heart Shell, +1 Frivolous thought)

Option 2 - Flirt (or, simply insult to be less offensive?)
Result - Initiates battle with manless male (+2 heart shell if won)

IDEAS FROM OTHER USERS
Option- Hey Bro!
Result - You jump up and trot towards the lion. At first he flinches, but you greet him playfully, paying no mind to his lack of a mane. After a playful spar, the two of you decide to go impress some ladies together. Just bros being bros! (+1 Heart Shell, maybe +1 Happy since you two went to impress some ladies??? and the other one is +1 Frivolous??? idk)
From (#98461) 

Option - pep talk
Result - Seeing this lonely soul, you approach him kindly and gesture for him to sit down. He looks skeptical but obliges. Once he does, you launch into an explanation of how it isn't the size of the mane, but rather how you use it. Er... or the presence of the mane at all! Looking dubious, but maybe a little hopeful, he leaves you with a gift before you part ways. (+1-2 heartshells, +1 Awkward thought, +2 karma) imo, could come with an achievement: Size Doesn't Matter (Comfort the Maneless Male in February)
From #140130

Introduce
maybe there could be an option to introduce some of your own lionesses to him? all just as flavor text, of course. as a trans guy seeing ANY sort of trans rep (even if it is just a mutation, and not an identity thing) is still fantastic :)
(From #225012)

Give hair
hmm. maybe also an option for your main male to groom some loose fur out of his own mane and groom it into the maneless male? has the potential to be very cute, tbh
(From #225012)



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Edited on 16/01/21 @ 10:20:32 by Lily (#136386)

Jack | G2 Jellyfish
Prion (#98461)


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Posted on
2020-02-02 11:27:09
(Possible option 3??? Love the ideas so far)

Option- Hey Bro!

You jump up and trot towards the lion. At first he flinches, but you greet him playfully, paying no mind to his lack of a mane. After a playful spar, the two of you decide to go impress some ladies together. Just bros being bros!

(+1 Heart Shell, maybe +1 Happy since you two went to impress some ladies??? and the other one is +1 Frivolous??? idk)



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Edited on 02/02/20 @ 11:27:55 by FirecrackerTNT (#98461)

Lily (#136386)

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Posted on
2020-02-02 11:50:35
I love that! Just treat him like a normal lion :)



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Jack | G2 Jellyfish
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Posted on
2020-02-02 11:57:37
Yup! ^^



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🇵🇸 Paxi |
Lilac (#140130)

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Posted on
2020-02-02 13:38:02
throwing my idea into the ring

option - pep talk

Seeing this lonely soul, you approach him kindly and gesture for him to sit down. He looks skeptical but obliges. Once he does, you launch into an explanation of how it isn't the size of the mane, but rather how you use it. Er... or the presence of the mane at all! Looking dubious, but maybe a little hopeful, he leaves you with a gift before you part ways. (+1-2 heartshells, +1 Awkward thought, +2 karma)

imo, could come with an achievement: Size Doesn't Matter (Comfort the Maneless Male in February)



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Reistr (#81897)

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Posted on
2020-02-07 05:49:25
Supporting this :0



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Rainbow Chips (Clean
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Posted on
2020-02-08 21:28:08
i love this! I miss the maneess lion as well



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Emerald (#15750)

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Posted on
2020-02-11 14:46:18
Why was the guy removed in the first place? I've been hearing because of "transphobia" but... I don't understand that excuse at all... The lion in the encounter wasn't even trans to begin with (He literally gets offended if you call him a girl).
Maneless male lions exist IRL and the mane IS the male's attractive aspect, and this one was struggling with ladies because of his lack of such a feature as that's just a thing that maneless lions struggle with. If people seriously got upset about something that's pretty true to maneless lions irl then I'm honestly annoyed at this community for being so sensitive. All that was needed was change the options of the encounter if those were the issue, not the whole lion himself. So FULL ON support for this because tbh I want him back and this time plz give us an option to comfort him this time. (Because I thought calling him cute was the good option but he still got annoyed :c)



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Edited on 11/02/20 @ 15:05:24 by Emerald (#15750)

Lily (#136386)

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2020-02-11 14:50:17
From what I saw in this post (https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429386459) it was deemed transphobic and overall negative being you offended him either way (Which makes no sense because then you have encounter like the poop lion who you either attack or shove back in, that's also double negative and people don't hate on that)

He looked like the opposite sex and so people saw him as a trans kinda icon. But I agree, his removal seemed pretty unnecessary and he was, just like the dwarf, leopon, or primals during this event, just a mutated lion



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Edited on 11/02/20 @ 14:54:30 by Lily (#136386)

Emerald (#15750)

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2020-02-11 15:03:57
Ah, well I do hope he returns soon if an adjustment to the options can be made while keeping him there as a whole. If there was anything I was upset about it was that there wasn't an option that made him feel better about his... well... "baldness". Heh



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Robin (BLM) - Gen4
Cinnabar (#171993)

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Posted on
2020-02-11 15:05:29
The difference being that the options were “Dude looks like a lady!” or be condescending, which, just a mutated lion or not, has horribly transphobic undertones, hence the removal being more than necessary until a good change could be made.

Minimizing trans people’s feelings on the issue while proposing a solution to bring back the encounter is missing the point entirely.



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Thorn (#109385)

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2020-02-15 09:58:26
Love the idea :DD I remember feeling sad I couldn't comfort the poor guy-



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Reistr (#81897)

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Posted on
2020-02-15 17:32:38
Hope the maneless male returns, I wanted to give him a hug!



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Posted on
2020-03-16 17:13:02
In my opinion, the removal of this encounter is less cause of transphobia concerns and more cause the encounter itself subtly perpetuates the toxic societal belief that there's nothing more objectively unattractive, than a man who looks/acts more feminine than the ideal "standard". Just like "fighting like a girl" and "being a pussy" is used to emasculate men while simultaneously comparing them to women. It's toxic masculinity at it's purest. That idea that if a man is not conventionaly attractive or is, as mentioned, more "feminine" (not afraid to show emotion, aversion to physical violence,) then he's lesser and doomed to live a life of failure.
I'd suggest changing the encounter so that the maneless lion does get the girl in the end, in spite of his looks.



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sandshrew [g3 bi pie
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2021-01-07 04:24:49
maybe there could be an option to introduce some of your own lionesses to him? all just as flavor text, of course. as a trans guy seeing ANY sort of trans rep (even if it is just a mutation, and not an identity thing) is still fantastic :)

hmm. maybe also an option for your main male to groom some loose fur out of his own mane and groom it into the maneless male? has the potential to be very cute, tbh



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TrollBerserker[PFM]
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Posted on
2021-01-25 07:47:14
How was a maneless lion removed for being "tranphobic" because you could say he looks like a lady, but a manned lioness is still there and you can literally say she's a dude.

We realize that these are lions, right? And manes are distinctive gender dymophism features irl?

We could use some more friendly option to interact with him, but the reasons for removing him completely make no sense.



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