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2020-03-04 20:56:58
WHEW. So. How about that news post?

For those uninformed, Lioden has officially stated that they're going to start rolling out more self-censorship features. This means that we, as players, can expect in the sometime future for there to be a feature that hides NSFW or gore images, and then some.

I don't know if this is due to our efforts on this topic or not, but either way, it's a HUGE win for everyone here. Thank you all so much for your support!

As with every other edit, I'm leaving the rest of this post the same. But as of right now, I think we can officially consider this a success! <3


EDIT: I'm putting this at the beginning because it's important. The event is over but this is STILL a problem that persists in the game. I implore you to not ignore this for the next year until more people have to go through this again. Thank you. Edit over.

Hi all! I realize this was posted about a year ago, and was met with a very split responses. So I'm here to also post! I please ask that you read the whole post before supporting or not supporting.

So, as the title says, this suggestion is to hide gore or bloody images for players who are sensitive to that sort of thing! Everyone pretty much gets the gist of what this is, as I have seen old topics like it. But I figure some people might have questions, so I'm prepared to answer those! Let's start with a bit of FAQ.

Q: This game is 16+, and should have gore/blood (and other adult themes) in it, as that's how lions work.

A: Sure! This game is 16+, but that doesn't mean everyone 16 or over wants to see a fairly realistic drawing of an elephant with its face torn off. Not seeing blood/gore wouldn't ruin an integral part of this game, such as taking away breeding, another 16+ topic. As for the "that's how lions work" part, well, this game isn't *really* that realistic, now is it? We literally have an event based around the apocalypse. We have green and blue and pink lions. We meet a manticore and fight with heaven and hell.

Q: Why not just disable the whole event?

A: Why should someone have to cease from playing the game because of something that can easily be avoided? Events are such an important part of this game and community, and to force someone not to be a part of it because they're sensitive to seeing images that depict terrible things isn't a good way to handle this. If someone wants to still participate, they should be able to! Also, the March event in particular also helps to raise funds for anti-poaching organizations. To force players to hide the event could negatively impact funds raised.

Q: Why can't you just use adblock and block the images that way?

A: First off, that would require having to look at the images first in order to get the image url to block them. Secondly, that doesn't work on mobile, which a LOT of players use primarily! Having a toggle would be much better suited for mobile players.

Q: Yeah, but I want to see gore.

A: You can! The idea I have in mind is a toggle that appears on a users page in the same area you would change your password. There, you can use a toggle to disable gorey images. Maybe in the future, if enough support is gained, there can be support for the sexually explicit images of lions in the February event.

Q: But there's so much other triggering stuff besides the event! How are you gonna hide that?

A: Simply put, you don't need to. If you don't want to interact with bloody looking lions, you don't have to. However, in order to enjoy the game to its fullest, you DO have to play the events. There is literally never a point in time on this site that there isn't an event going on.

Q: What would the images be instead?

A: Depends on what's easiest to do! It could be a blurred image instead, or the image could simply not load in, or it could just be replaced by a generic "BLOCKED" sign or something of the sort. It could also be an option to hide ALL event images while still keeping the event text up. Honestly, anything to make people more comfortable would work!

Q: Why should the devs waste time on this?

A: Well, because the players are important! Without them, there would be no game, and no matter how small the minority who NEED this are, the people who want it are probably a larger group in total. I'm uncomfortable with seeing this stuff, sure, but I'm not having a panic attack upon seeing this and being forced out of playing the whole game for a month because I physically cannot stand seeing it, like others are. I see no reason why people should be excluded from the fun of this game because of things that are out of their control, and I'd hope that the devs can see that too.


These are just some frequently asked questions I noticed on other similar boards I thought I'd take care of, but if anyone else has questions, please feel free to ask those! I'm very willing to talk to anyone who's interested in supporting, or anyone who is wary about supporting.

:::EDIT:::

Bezthiel made an absolutely excellent point, that I'm going to quote here:

"If the ToS says:
6.1
You are bound by, and must comply with, our Code of Conduct.

6.2
You also agree that you will not in connection with the Game:
breach any applicable law, regulation or code of conduct;
publish or send any Content (including links or references to other content), or otherwise behave in a manner, which:
is defamatory, threatening, harassing, invasive of privacy, offensive, vulgar, racist, hateful, discriminatory, obscene, pornographic, sexually suggestive, misleading, abusive or deceptive or which attacks sexual orientation, promotes self-harm or eating disorders, involves murder, rape, suicide, terrorism, excessive gore or hacking;

Then these are things that I can reasonably assume are not mentioned in site context.

Yet rape, suicide, and gore certainly are. We should either be warned or be able to opt out.

And before anyone says "but the newspost!" The 'excuse us for being blunt' is not the same as 'you will be shown pictures of horribly tortured, maimed, animals'. A warning is blunt."

A few suggestions have been made about the overall functioning of the system! In general, it seems a lot of people enjoy the idea of just disabling explore images in general. This is a simple solution and could work wonders for everyone.

On the other side of the spectrum, we have suggestions where players could pick and choose which images to disable, whether that be by a category (NSFW images) or by looking at a list of image descriptions and disabling them that way.

To reflect these options, I've changed the name of the topic from "Hiding Gore for Players" to "Hiding Triggering Images for Players" as we've come to the conclusion that it isn't just gore that's the problem.



This suggestion has 257 supports and 75 NO supports.



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Edited on 08/05/20 @ 12:11:20 by clay {CLEAN Solaris!} (#128553)

Zambz (#2687)

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Posted on
2020-03-28 23:39:36
Wait, the event is about the stories more so than art isn't it? If you can still read text why does the images mean there's no point in the event?

Like, I often block any sexual-ish images if I can because they make me nauseous n can trigger anxiety worse than it is depending, but I can still read all the text which is like the whole context? The images have nothing to do with the event text because it describes the image usually anyway lol

I don't get how blocking images means I can't participate in the event because I may enjoy the stories just not the images? seems to make no sense to me but maybe am just not seeing the point xD

Frankly I can't see well anyway and if I hold anything more than some inches away it gets all blurry so images mean nothing to me so maybe tht's why i don't get tht reasoning idk lol

edit cuz i just realized this: reddit allows you to blur NSFW images so like gore/sexual stuff anything under NSFW catagory so I don't see why it'd be a bad thing if Lioden, who imo are pretty good at being inclusive for ppl, gave a similar toggle on/off option to block NSFW in some way.



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Edited on 30/03/20 @ 01:30:43 by Zambz (#2687)

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2020-03-29 00:53:03
@Zambz Exactly! Just because you don't wanna see the gore doesn't mean you can't participate in the event!



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2020-03-29 01:57:28
@Ruby Fox It's not like blocking a few things will ruin the whole event in the first place, besides it would be optional anyways. It's not going to end up effecting you if you don't care for gore.

The event may be about poaching but just because they don't want to see gore from the event doesn't mean the whole event is completely ruined by not showing it. You can still not like gore and still not support poaching of animals.



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2020-03-30 01:24:30
lmao i like how some peoples' arguments are "if someone isn't willing to see a rhino's face torn off or 2 lions f**king then they don't deserve to buy an applicator"

like bruh im pretty sure the point of events is not to test the strength of someone's stomach or PTSD LMAO like chill y'all it's literally an optional toggle. the only reason any player would refuse this idea would be out of spite towards people with different sensitivities than they have and that's just facts

needless to say: support lmao



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Edited on 30/03/20 @ 01:24:46 by Sneep (6.5K Ice 3xRos Svelte) (#124118)

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2020-03-30 02:12:19
YES SNEEP WE STAN A QUEEN LIKE U



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2020-03-30 12:49:22
LMAO we all just out here stating facts



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2020-03-30 21:55:07
Just seems like unnecessary coding for the already busy people behind LD in the end of it all so not going to really support. I can get why some people may find it bothersome or such but people sign up for and come onto LD knowing the premise as it is. They're given the fact that this is a game generally geared toward 16+ people and it reflects a level of realism in the gameplay and events. If despite all that people still choose to play even knowing that, that's on them and to come and try to say why they should be catered to hand and foot on a site they should fully know by the time they're this involved goes to show its merely a case of people complaining over something just because they can. As many others have stated, just get off LD for the time if its that bothersome. Nobody says you HAVE to be around for any of this and if its so bothersome, instead of demanding busy site makers to code some specific feature just for you, be the adult, suck it up and just avoid what you dislike. Fact of life is kids that asking the world to cater to you just because you're uncomfortable or "triggered" isn't how it works. You control the ways you cope with such issues and that's that.

Pair this with the fact there's already an option to toggle things in place, just use that? Now of course it'd be nice if it was a bit nicer for mobile players to also utilize the toggle available for disturbing event imagery, that being said. But overall, seeking the coding to very specifically choose and select certain images or whatnot is actually very much just a bunch of pointless coding that would eat up the time that could be put toward more beneficial coding of the site by a landslide.

Fact of life, people. Just stating it like it is. If you don't like it, feel free to hit me up in PMs to discuss. I doubt I'll keep wasting too much time here.



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Edited on 30/03/20 @ 22:12:48 by Ticklicous (#490)

Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2020-03-30 23:25:21
I don't even support this (because I would still strongly prefer to be able to block all images over certain images), and I'll make the same arguement I did about adding a warning to July's storyline.

If the ToS says:
6.1
You are bound by, and must comply with, our Code of Conduct.

6.2
You also agree that you will not in connection with the Game:
breach any applicable law, regulation or code of conduct;
publish or send any Content (including links or references to other content), or otherwise behave in a manner, which:
is defamatory, threatening, harassing, invasive of privacy, offensive, vulgar, racist, hateful, discriminatory, obscene, pornographic, sexually suggestive, misleading, abusive or deceptive or which attacks sexual orientation, promotes self-harm or eating disorders, involves murder, rape, suicide, terrorism, excessive gore or hacking;

Then these are things that I can reasonably assume are not mentioned in site context.

Yet rape, suicide, and gore certainly are. We should either be warned or be able to opt out.

And before anyone says "but the newspost!" The 'excuse us for being blunt' is not the same as 'you will be shown pictures of horribly tortured, maimed, animals'. A warning is blunt.



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Edited on 30/03/20 @ 23:39:25 by Bezthiel (#81210)

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2020-04-08 10:43:59
support. it really doesn't make a huge impact on events if the text is still visible and it will make some players more comfortable, so why not ?



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2020-04-08 10:45:07
Sorry the harsh reality of poaching offends you so much. Maybe go play Animal Jam instead? Its got lions without all the horrific, real life issues that this game is trying to educate people about. :)



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2020-04-08 10:49:19
@Cadence I'm not going to return your passive aggressive comment with the same attitude you have brought. I'm very sorry you don't seem to be willing to be sympathetic to the few people on here who get massive PTSD related triggers to things like animal gore, and struggle to play this game without it. People can be educated without gore being thrown in their faces, and can still support the event at the end of the month without having to see an elephant without a face. I hope one day you can learn that other people have issues that aren't directly related to your own.



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2020-04-08 10:54:06
Support fully. This would literally only effect the user toggling it and I dont understand why some users on here are being so elitist and rude. Not everyone can stomach animals with their face torn off or reading about forced "breeding".

@ Cadence
People can be educated and aware of things without wanting to see them multiple times a day while playing a game online.

edit: clay beat me to it



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Edited on 08/04/20 @ 10:54:41 by Lime {4.9k} (#21960)

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2020-04-23 07:02:14
Support! Also, I love your profile lol.



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2020-04-23 07:07:59
Don't support. I understand the concerns, but as previously mentioned, the team have so many important things to do and so much of the game revolves around gore etc. Heck, all of the food items are gorey!

Besides that, there are so many different things that will affect some people and not others. The suggestion I would therefore make would be for people to be able to disable images on specific encounters (for example, the option to block an image after it appears). But again, I don't see that as being a priority for the team right now.

Also, you mention blocking the February event. But is that sort of thing not the same with rabbits breeding in this event?



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Edited on 23/04/20 @ 07:10:35 by Dier ~ x5 Rosette ~ x13 Feline (#80015)

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2020-04-23 07:11:48
@Dier I don't see how the safety of the site users isn't a priority. As I said in the main post, some people can't afford to look at the event images even once. The food items are incredibly small. There is such a difference between a close up of a rhino without its entire upper jaw than a 15x15 pixel wide blur of red. They are, in my opinion, incomparable. There is also a big difference between reading "You swiftly kill the lion and blood gushes from their wound." compared to seeing an incredibly detailed image of an elephant without a face. In general, I ask most people to consider that while it may not be an issue for you, it is an issue for others, and that's still important.



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