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Lex 🦋 (#56485)

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Posted on
2021-05-02 21:16:08

Lioden Genetics Overhaul

Important Things To Note
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This topic will be split into three sections that describe the new genetics
based on the genetic stage.
Genetic Shades will not be changed, as I believe they are fine where they stand.
The intention of these changes are to make genetics more cohesive and thorough for breeders and their own preference, along with fixing bases that are in categories
they have no business being in.
I have been on Lioden since 2016, and have been here since
before the first major breeding update.
I have tried to create the best method for change based on my own breeding experience and the experience of breeders who have been here for just as long or longer than myself.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask and discuss in the comments!
I am open to criticism as this would change things for everyone.



New Base Rarity Groups
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The new Base Rarity Groups would be as follows:

Ordinary, Uncommon, Rare, Special, and Limited.

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Ordinary:
The same as Common, just renamed to differentiate from Uncommon better.

Uncommon:
No Change.

Rare:
No Change.

Special:
Applicator bases, Raffle bases.

Limited:
Bases that have a specific breeding limitation.
Combo bases, Hybrid bases.
No change in current breeding or method, just easier to separate from other specials at a glance.




New Base Color Groups
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The new Base Color Groups would be as follows:

Stygian, Auric, Sanguine, and Iridescent.

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Stygian:
“ Like Black.”
Bases that fall under the Monochrome Category or close to it.
(ex: Celestial, Seer, Albino, Soul, Penumbra)


Auric:
“Like Gold.”
Bases that fall under the gold and cream category or close to them.
Merged together to make the ‘natural’ breeding style more effective,
and to help the category flourish in the long run.
(Ex: Kimanjano, Citrine, Victor, Skyward, Mandarin)


Sanguine:
“Like Red.”
Bases that fall under the red/brown category or close to it.
(ex: Peach, Sidereal, Liver, Ukame, Ember, Cherry Blossom)


Iridescent:
“Strange Colors.”
Bases that do not fall under any category and can be considered outlandish in appearance.
(ex: Labradorite, Green, Teardrop, Pulsar, Sha)

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My reasoning for merging both Cream and Gold together to make Auric is due to the common complaint that those base groups, while just as important as Red or Black, are often ignored or have bases that do not fit into the categories, such as Seer, added just to fill space. Not only would merging them fix the issue of 'shoehorned' bases, but it would also allow for more variation in the natural cream and gold categories as it would promote the idea of a nice overarching tan and gold scheme instead of being forced to fit in one category alone and depriving the other category of a good natural base.

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My reasoning for creating an entirely new category, Iridescent, is to not only make up for the merging of Cream and Gold, but also to keep the "crazy" bases in one spot. This would not only be a bonus to Natural breeders, but it would also be beneficial to people who love Colorbombs, as they would be able to breed their crazy colors without the fails from ranging color groups that come with them.
(Ex: Teardrop is Cream, Green is Gold, Pulsar is Black, Sha is Red.)



New Base Gradients
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The new Base Gradients would be as follows:

Flat and Distinct

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Flat:

Bases that are the same color throughout or have little to moderate variation.
(ex: Chocolate, Fiery, Vandal, Green, Pewter, Madagascar)

Distinct:
Bases that have many changes and variations.
(Ex: Interstellar, Temporal, Scoundrel, Labradorite, Anubis, Sunrise)

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My reasoning for changing Solid and Countershaded into Flat and Distinct is not only to make the wording more clear, but also to give more leeway into the categories to make it easier to label them.
As it stands currently, there are many bases in Solid that belong in Countershaded, and vice versa.

Examples are the following:

Solid that SHOULD be Countershaded:


Interstellar, Nuummite, Demiurge, Frostbitten, Sphinx, Trophy, Gregarious, Labradorite, Gilded, Festive, Locust, Rose Gold.

Countershaded that SHOULD be Solid:

Black, Dikela, Slate, Dun, Cocoa, Dove Gray, Dusty, Opal, Dark Vanilla, Deep Fawn, Mongoose, Deira, Sunflower, Sorrel, Palomino.


In Closing
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In my opinion, this change would be beneficial for everybody in the long run. It would make it much easier to breed for what your particular tastes and interests are, as well as separating bases into categories where they belong.

The prior time a genetics overhaul was suggested, it was rejected by many including myself due to the fact that it would directly destroy years of work put into our breeding projects.
I believe that now, with the inclusion of so many new bases than there were then, it would be easier to pick up the pieces and go back to work.
For example, I was a Lilac breeder, and the closest base at the time to Lilac was Flint, which was breed only. If the change would have gone through, I would have had so many Flint lions with nothing able to be applied to continue my project. Now that so many new bases exist, this would no longer be a problem as it's almost guaranteed that my base of choice would fall into a group with applicators.

I would also suggest an easy fix to placate anyone who may be upset due to the changes now;
When personalities were implemented, a dropdown box was added in order to choose the new desired personality as to not have random good lionesses in a negative karma king's territory. This could be implemented as well, with the option to change Ordinary, Uncommon, and Rare lions to a new color of the same rarity in another category.

Thank you all for reading, and I look forward to hearing your feedback :)




Other User's Suggestions
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Angela #77401:

They admins could just automatically add the number of base changers to match your dens lion total and be done with it. Make them no trade, one use exclusive items.


Heda #56702:

The drop down is an amazing idea that I like better but touching on the account bound base changers they did that on wolvden with... an elk heart I think? Whatever you get for the bond pair quest I do believe? I don’t really remember but the admins do have the technology for account bound items in their possession.




This suggestion has 203 supports and 15 NO supports.



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Viradechtis (#217315)


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2021-05-03 20:38:30
So much support! I'm so tired of getting brown lions mixed in with my white, grey, and black lions. Chestnut, vandal, liver, etc, don't belong in the black color group.



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Icy Terraine [Main] (#176825)

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Posted on
2021-05-04 13:10:52
Bumping because this idea is wonderful



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Miss Wonderland (#212712)


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Posted on
2021-05-06 17:45:12
Support ^^ will love if they put that :D



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sandshrew [g3 bi pie
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Posted on
2021-05-06 23:43:40
this is really well thought out, i was looking through all the bases myself recently and noticed that so many are just... out of place. (labradorite has no business being anywhere near where it is) certain colors/shades etc are also lacking in different rarities, this could help with that too



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GATORBYTE (RUFFIAN
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2021-05-10 11:21:18
The only things I am meh about are the base color group name changes and welding together gold and cream into one category. I do like the idea of adding "Iridescent" for oddball bases, though! Definitely support.



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Lex 🦋 (#56485)

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Posted on
2021-05-10 11:32:06
The reason I merged cream and gold together is because a big complaint in the community is about how those groups don’t ever get any good bases or attention, which I personally believe is a result of gold and cream being similar enough in color already (cream being just pastel gold), so I think merging them together would make it easier for Xylax to make good bases for those categories since he wouldn’t have to follow a specific guideline and could take aspects from both groups to make really neat natural bases. I know, I get it, I totally think it would be a weird change too, but I think it’s genuinely needed for the group to thrive in the future. Thank you for your feedback!



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GATORBYTE (RUFFIAN
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2021-05-10 11:36:54
ooooh, I defo see where you are coming from now! that makes total sense, thank you for explaining! i was a bit confused with that part



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GalacticRing (#68231)

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Posted on
2021-05-10 12:41:00
As a red/black base breeder with a love for colorbombs, i am HERE for this!! I mostly focus on red because of how many color combinations i can get from it, but sometimes the genetics dont always make sense... like how my Sha king is somehow a Solid base. Support!



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Polaroid (#162796)


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2021-06-19 18:18:26
i like these ideas, but i dont know how feasable it is for the artists to change every base to match different gradients. But I do love the idea of cream and gold being merged- gold has some nice bases but i don't thing cream gets enough love. if the two were merged it might remedy that, at least a little bit. But I don't think name changes to red or black are needed. A more simple name for a cross between gold and cream might be yellow or blonde. calling it Auric feels a bit out of place compared to the other two. Also, I'm not sure changing the color group names would be all that necessary- especially ordinary instead of common. i do like the idea of a limited grouping though. Just my opinions and somethings to consider. Cheers!



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Hearteater. {side} (#60699)


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2021-06-19 19:59:44
I think you're misunderstanding lol.

They're not saying change ever base to match different gradients, they're saying the bases are in the wrong categories right now. They wouldn't need to be artistically changed, just put into the category that better suits them.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you meant? I agree that blonde might be a good name for cream/yellow mix though! ^^



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Quould #ALM (#236121)

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Posted on
2021-07-03 15:33:55
I love this idea!



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Dragon Desire (#79251)

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Posted on
2021-08-19 00:20:05
I support this idea. Though Blonde or Savannah might be a better name for the cream/gold group. I wouldn't rename the black or red one though. I 100% agree on the iridescent group for the unusual colors. Also some of the bases I do believe are in the wrong group/gradient like Sha and well many others. I've looked at the wiki base genetics so many times and I'm like "how is this countershaded base solid?" and "why is this solid base in countershanded?" It just doesn't make sense.

I mean really the Ember combo base is in the gold? Why not red like Blazing and Fiery?

And Green base is so not gold so why put it in there? And Labradorite is gold solid why? Neither of these look gold or natural to me. Cream and gold base should mean natural colored lions. Not green or iridescent blue, red, black.

Black bases should be monochrome bases being black, gray, and white bases. Not brown bases. Though the Black base doesn't really look black. it looks brown to me. I don't see much difference from black and dark brown. Black should be black not brown but it's fine if they don't recolor it I guess. Their choice since it's their site.

Red bases can have the brown, red, and orange bases. Though Squall base doesn't fit here. It's mostly white and gray with a small tint of red in some places. Squall should fit better in Black or Iridescent.

Another note why is the Bast and Maat bases in gold if it's similar to Sunset that is in Red?

One look and the wiki base genetics and you'll be shocked over the misplaced bases.



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Selene 🌙 (#103181)

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2021-08-22 08:19:08
Bumping because I feel like this would bring so much more depth to the genetics.



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Posted on
2021-08-27 23:34:54
no support, overhaul in coding for something so minor and still would destroy many breeding projects (one of my friends has been on it for a year, still no success.). Just change base/Marking/Eyes/Skin if you don't like it.



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Lex 🦋 (#56485)

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Posted on
2021-08-28 09:28:33
@Barnashunter: I have been playing this game since 2015, and have had many breeding projects last more than a year. This quality of life change would be better in the long haul, and wouldn’t “ruin” any breeding projects, as now in 2021 we have multiple special applicators in every category that can be applied to lions to quickly adjust to changes. If this change would have happened back in 2016 when I was a lilac breeder, and there were no special applicators (as flint was the only base in that category, long before rhino) then I could see your argument, as in that time projects were harder and it was impossible to find lions with the right breed only base and markings. This is not the case now. This change also has nothing to do with markings, eyes, or skin, and would only change base genetics to fit categories better.



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