Posted by COMBO FACTOR BUFFS WOO

🌻 the serval
spots (#98320)

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2021-07-09 16:07:08
Arabica, Qahir, Hellebore, and many more combos, even after existing in the game for years, all have less than 300 lions onsite. Despite their rarity they don't sell for anything at all, pretty much collecting dust in TC or being remarkably low value. In fact, people find combo bases so undesirable that out of the 35 combo bases in the game, not including Basalt, 23 of them are below 750 lions. That's almost 70% of combo bases! It's a sign of significant imbalance.

The reason for this is because they're incredibly difficult to breed: With the low passrate of combos and lack of bases on most of these, you can only get a chance to breed it and have it pass from a lioness every few days or weeks rather than every single breeding, which just isn't fair. Assuming all your lionesses have 1 or 2 cubs, you would have to breed 25-50 of them to match a combo's flat 2% (1 in 50) passrate to get a SINGLE one- imagine trying to breed high quality ones or do a project with one. The max non GB territory size is also only 40, so you might not be able to have more than 40 lionesses on hand to do that with. For bases like Cloudburst where you have to sync these lionesses up to wet season, or Squall where getting 40 Unholy lionesses is just utterly cruel, breeding them is resultingly very difficult.

Also, with hundreds of bases in the game and many new rares and applicable specials having no actual use- just one base added after another- it's unreasonable that a combo should have only 1-3 bases on each side, hence this topic. I will be tending to tack specials on on the opposite side of lots of commons/uncommons/rares because most kings are special rarity and can enjoy collecting lots of factors, creating good synergy. Lastly, I like when the genetics of factors match the resulting combo, especially in situations like with Citrine (good combo base example) where Kimanjano/Fulvous x Citrine can easily fail to another Fulvous factor to use. All of these traits work together to create a good breedable combo.

Basically; some combo bases are really hard to breed and kinda suck. Olive base is included in this but in a separate pre-existing post and so is at the bottom of the topic, please don't forget about it!

ARABICA

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Reasoning: I kept the milk/coffee theme with the cream side with Almond and Hazelnut and also added Butternut since the name matches. The black side is just visually similar bases. I've always associated 'murk' with coffee but it turns out no one else does or understands that so YMMV but a special being in there makes everything much easier.

ASIATIC

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Reasoning: Dove Gray, Gunmetal Gray, and Silver Gray are both super similar to gray in both looks and name which I thought was cute. Additionally light cream and cream lighter are both a middle in between cream and white which makes logistical sense. The general vibe is still there, it's just more commons are available so it's less difficult. Optionally, add Ivory to the cream side for being another pale light cream.

BASALT

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Reasoning: Metals just like Flint, Opal, and Sterling. Flint and Opal were already in a combo, but these metal-themed bases are not in anything, with Gunmetal Gray as a new applicable uncommon and Platinum as a new rare being the most important one IMO.

BLACK ROSE

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Reasoning: Orchid, Wild Rose, and Dusty Rose, Blush Rose are all solid reds that keep the flower theme of Black Rose. I was always confused as to why Wild Rose. Dusty Rose, and Blush Rose weren't included in the first place. On the other side Titanium was added because it's the only common/uncommon in that base group not included other than Chestnut, which isn't the color black is why I left it out. Optionally, add Fuchsia and Hibiscus to the 'flower' side- six factors isn't THAT many, plenty of December combos have that or more, and those specials aren't in any other combo, so they would fit in really nicely if the extra space was allowed.

CELSIAN

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Reasoning: Celsian is a clear mineral, so I added Clear White alongside Glass to match that themeing. It can also be white, off-white, or yellow, so White is there to represent that color as well. Howlite is there because it's another mineral like the original three factors, and more importantly has that orangeish-cream tone on Celsian that came out of nowhere- it's sort of the missing link. I just kind of slapped Platinum on, but I think that a rare on that side is good since it's otherwise nothing BO/lower rarity, and it could be replaced with anything else- Silver, Slate, ETC- if disliked, but I mostly picked it for the color match.

CLOUDBURST

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Reasoning: Similarly to Smog and Majivu, any seasonally restricted combo base is very difficult to breed, and so deserves more factors. Stratosphere is the blue cloud layer of the sky, and Slate is the only black countershaded rare/uncommon with a cool blue tone that was initially left out. Lastly, I debated as to adding Clear White and White on the Albino side, but decided not to just because the x Albino only is a bit iconic for Cloudburst and Smog, as well as a lot of other seasonal combos. However, adding those two on the Albino side for both Cloudburst and Smog would differentiate them from the December-added combo bases, as well as the Albino challenge. Ultimately it's up to staff to decide whether that's a good idea.

EMBER

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Reasoning: Ashen just fits the theme, and Willow and Aspen are both new relatively unused uncommons without much fanfare to them that just like Flint read as fire-kindling (wood types), and are also black bases. Inferno and Brimstone are obvious, and Ochre is there because it's a very red Gold Dark CS, and Ember is infamously a gold dark base despite having red x black factors and looking pretty red. I really hate this base but my ingrained duty to improve game design overpowers all else.

HELLEBORE

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Reasoning: I added extra random gold rares + oatmeal. I found goldenrod was a plant and Udara was a fruit so I tried to keep that theme a little bit but generally it just seems to be Lilac X soft golds is what the staff was originally going for I'm not sure that themeing was intentional. Also Nacarat is a very old base but still isn't in any combo. Lastly, Water Hyacinth could be added to the Lilac side since it's also a purple flower.

MAJIVU

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Reasoning: I thought Phantom just visually matched, and Smog matches the theme-naming for droughts and is a little cool and unique. The reason this isn't overpowered here is because being a season-exclusive base adds an extreme amount of difficulty that all these factors will most certainly not circumvent. Also, Gold Lights are relatively unpopular already. Trust me when I say this is one of the hardest bases to breed ingame. 'Ukame' means 'drought', so I added Solaris, another maneater-recolored sun-themed base, and Sundust, Sunshine, and Sunspot representing that dry season weather. Most importantly, none of my added bases are already in any existing combo. Funnily enough, the creator of this base also recommends a factor expansion. I'm not sure anybody really breeds this base but it's real cool.

MUDSTONE

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Reasoning: ._.

NADIR

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Reasoning: OK so basically I just took blue, pink, black, ETC like the original base had, but I put Noctis because it's in nothing and Ebony is in 3 things, and Korat because it's dark blue and matches Nadir decently well. On the other side the reason I added Dawn is because Dawn X Noctis (night) equaling Nadir, a dark blue base which has a name derived from astronomy/night themes made like a lot of thematic and logical sense to me. Also Ardor and Rhodonite are already on there, so I thought staff was favoring pink/blue/purple gradient factors for that one. This base doesn't really look that much like its existing factors, LOL. Optionally, Interstellar could be added on the Ardor/Rhodonite side, but that's only because it's the only other base that's really bright blue like Nadir is.

SMOG

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Reasoning: Ignore that I accidentally wrote 'Russet' as 'Blonde'. The base is Russet. I just added a few more visually matching bases to round it out, and give it an applicable special. Optionally, add Argent and Flaxen to the cream side as well, since they're not in anything yet.

SQUALL

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Reasoning: Okay, so I actually did not pick random bases for this. Windfall and Solaris are both storm/sky/atmosphere related with the specific theme of brown/red/orange/cream, and Wicked matches Unholy's genetics and name themeing. Stratosphere and Skyward are both black countershaded bases with atmosphere or storm themes as well. I added Korat and Maltese to tie it more to Cloudburst because it doesn't make sense to me that they don't share additional factors since they have such similar appearances. I know this was supposed to be exclusively x Cloudburst only, but the fact is 0 people breed this base SDHAJKASGDHFFDSHGJH. For real this is the combo with the least amount of lions ingame, I think, excluding Basalt since that one's new. Serruria outpaces it by triple. ALREADY.



And that's all for combo expansions. Olive was posted ages ago: LINK LINK LINK Other than that, it's all good. The reason I didn't expand bases with not-so-many factors like Elysian and Soul is because their vast popularity and the power of Ice/Ebony outpaces the lack of factors and so keeps them quite alive. Of the bases like Madagascar and Citrine with a 4x4 grid of factors, I think 4 is still too few given the number of bases ingame, but I think that they're still pretty well established and so don't necessarily 'need' a buff. ...I do have ideas though. I have ideas. Specifically I would But that last bit isn't necessary for the expansion topic.



This suggestion has 159 supports and 12 NO supports.



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Edited on 11/09/23 @ 09:35:18 by 🌻 the serval spots (#98320)

Fraekincense (#57572)


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Posted on
2021-07-09 16:11:51
THE PEOPLE NEED THIS



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Verridith [g1
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Posted on
2021-07-09 17:14:47
PLEASE

Though I've (and ok I'm biased, I admit it, LMFAO BUT) long though Nadir would be related to Interstellar somehow - it's like... legit stellar but without stars or space dust. XD



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Posted on
2021-07-10 10:41:08
Yes, please!!!

I could have an Orchid kinged and still be able to breed Black Roses. And mass breed for Orchids!



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Fern [side] (#163971)

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Posted on
2021-07-10 12:55:58
Please add Dhahabi to Mudstone factors. The other NCL exclusives really said "no, you can't sit with us" to their poor sister for no reason



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TrollBerserker[PFM]
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Posted on
2021-07-22 06:25:41
YES PLEASE
It's a good way to improve usefulness of some bases without adding new ones all the time. The newwly implemented bases such as Kunzite or Dawn would be perfect for older combos too.



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Maive | 13x BO Dusk
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Posted on
2021-07-26 06:35:57
y e s



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Datrandomcat (#166891)

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Posted on
2022-02-28 13:51:16
I'm begging you let this be reality



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Posted on
2023-07-30 18:40:16
My Smog breeding project and Smog heir would like this to be a thing, please :v



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Ezgati~Crazy Panther
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Posted on
2023-09-05 04:11:11
I would love to have more options for combos...
It is freaking insane how hard is to breed decent combo factors with some BO traits with only 2 options!!! (Yes Arabica, I am looking at YOU!!!)



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Posted on
2023-09-07 17:27:49
arabica and asiatic need this sooo bad



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Posted on
2023-09-09 13:15:09
99,9% support!

I just feel like Murk doesn't really fit as an Arabica factor. Not because it's a different genetic, but that base screams shrek muddy swamp to me, when arabica screams fresh coffee beans. It just kinda feels weird to connect these bases.



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Kazkazimi (#426858)

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2023-09-09 13:15:44
Im okay with add Dhahabi to Mudstone but others.... i think theres too much factors like okay it would be easier to get combo but THIS is the thing to make it hard if we could get so easy all combo then goal to breed combo wouldn't make sense (like im the ones of people who try breed combo for now not successful) everyone would come to them as to normal bases their price would go down etc. OFCOURSE i think it would be nice to add some more factors wich colors/genetic fitt but i wouldn't go so crazy with adding so much factors



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🌻 the serval
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Posted on
2023-09-09 13:18:38
Rime and some other December bases already have this much factors :/ If you read the prelude, most of these bases have under 10 kings and less than 300-400 lions ingame, compared to other BO bases with thousands.

"With the low passrate of combos and lack of bases on these you can only get a chance to breed it and have it pass every few days or weeks which just isn't fair. You would have to breed 50 lionesses to reflect its 2% (1 in 50) passrate to get a single one, and the max non GB territory size is 40." This means if you breed 40 lionesses and they all have one cub you won't even hit cumulative combo odds, and for bases like Squall, even getting 40 Unholies is impossible. This needs to change.



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🌻 the serval
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Posted on
2023-09-09 13:19:24
For example, Jellyfish has 424 kings, which is more than even lions onsite in total including all females for the majority of these older cream combos (Squall has less than 120 alive).



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πŸŽ„β›„ leon (#208511)


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Posted on
2023-09-09 23:41:19
combo base breeding fuckin sucks. if they do anything to make it more accessible, i think its a win. MORE people would probably be interested since the combos arent such nightmare, which would actually increase value, even if not necessarily monetary value



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