Posted by Inherited Rosette Passing Project [IRP]

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2022-02-04 01:14:03
Edit: As of writing this, a cub was born with a random briar rosette during a Day Time breeding. This proves that even though there is a 0.36% chance of breeding a random rosette at night, there is an even smaller chance of random rosettes that can still be bred during the day as well.
Based on statistics, it is still better to breed random rosettes at night and inherited rosettes during the day.

Briar rosette cub in question: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794158944152


Abstract


I bred my lionesses 500 times. Based on the data I have gathered, you are twice as likely to breed cubs with inherited rosettes when breeding during the day rather than night.

Introduction


After I completed my previous study on random rosette spawning [link], I wanted to see if that data connected with how inherited rosettes are passed down. In the last project, I bred 1,000 Newly Claimed Lionesses and recorded potential factors that could spawn random rosettes. I’ve come to the conclusion that random rosettes spawn when you breed your lions at night in game.
I wanted to see if this data played a role in how the spawn rates for inherited rosettes were determined.

Methods


Since this project didn’t require heritage-less lionesses, I was able to use my pride and NCLs I claimed in Explore. For this project I used my main account King “Accuser of the Brethren,” who has 3 rosettes. Only a few lionesses bred had 1 or 2 rosettes.

The variables that I paid attention to were the time of breeding and what rosettes the parents had. I was originally going to continue this project up to 1,000 breedings, but the data showed a clear trend around 400 in, and I decided to end the project at 500 breedings. 250 breedings were at night and 250 breedings were during the day.

Results


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IThe data shows a clear trend that favors day breedings over night breedings.

9 / (425) * 100 ≈ 2.12%

16 / (413) * 100 ≈ 3.87%

When you calculate the percentages of inherited cubs out of total cubs for both day and night breedings, you get a 2.12% chance to pass rosettes at night, but a 3.87% chance to pass rosettes during the day.
If you decide to add in random rosettes into the night breedings score, is still significantly less than day breedings at only ≈2.56%

You are roughly 2x as likely to pass rosette cubs if you breed during the day.

Discussion


When I first began this project with a few hundred breedings in, I was a little worried that I haven’t found the right factors for inheritance and that I missed something, but at around 400 breedings in I noticed that day breedings had many more rosette cubs passing and I decided to end it early.
Looking back at the data, it would make sense to have a higher passing rate during the day, since random rosettes only occurred at night. I’m sure that if inherited rosettes had an equal passing rate or even higher at night, the secret of rosettes would have been discovered long ago.

In my last study I said that the knowledge of how random rosettes pass wouldn't affect the game economy much. However with this data on the rough estimates of pass rates, I believe this information will change how the game breeds and sells rosette lions significantly.

If you have a double or triple rosette king and want to breed rosette cubs, you are better off breeding during the day. If your king and lionesses do not have rosettes, you should consider breeding at night for the small chance of getting a random rosette.

Just like last time if you want to look at my data spreadsheet you can find the images here: [IRP] Spreadsheet

You can find my previous study on random rosette generation here: Random Rosette Generation Project [RRG]



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Edited on 27/02/22 @ 00:57:59 by Bulldust (#193569)

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2022-04-23 11:44:49
Wow very interesting chart - helps me out thought so studding is an additional factor and makes passing rosettes harder if you can't control at which time the studs does the deed. ^^



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Posted on
2022-06-26 15:37:49
Did all 500 of the lionesses you bred have a rosette themselves?

Edit: Nevermind, the thread answers my own question xD



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Edited on 26/06/22 @ 15:38:43 by Luppiter💠Scoundrel NRLC (#225435)

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Posted on
2022-10-21 08:48:35
this is really cool, but you didn't test your results for statistical significance. a chi-square test demonstrates that the differences you observed aren't significant, so this study actually supports the idea that day/night cycle doesn't affect rosette chance. which is still really useful to know, so thank you for gathering all this data and calculating the pass rates!



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Edited on 21/10/22 @ 08:48:55 by alex|G1 12BO 2xRos bushveld (#53768)

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2022-10-21 09:54:56
Yeah I’m mainly just using basic fractions and comparing them, I found that personally I get more inherited rosette cubs during the day over night, but it could be different for other players



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2023-04-27 09:50:35
correlation does not equal causation. i find it interesting that you did a test and calculated, but like alex said there is no statistical significance.



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2024-06-30 09:38:06
just stumbling upon this thread and i’m amazed! thanks so much for your work ^^
i recently began attempting to crack inheritance for rosettes, specifically noctis heavy rosette as that’s my favorite and most common/easy to get! when i bred my king at the time with two different same slot same rosette lionesses, they both passed a single cub in the litter with the rosette! at the time i was convinced it had to be the specific opacity i used (which, i made sure they were both the same one) but i was never able to replicate those results at a later date. reading this makes me wonder if i bred them during daytime, i didn’t think to document that!

alas, ive got a handful of rosette girlies going into heat soon; ill be doing some mini assessments of my own! perhaps with the other confirmed factors of same slot, same marking pass rates we’ll see clearer results? :3



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Edited on 03/07/24 @ 11:54:34 by fmradio | G1 2.3k Khnum 3x Ros (#170156)

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2024-06-30 12:49:53
Glad you found this info useful! I made this a few years ago and didn’t think it’d get much traction. I might relook at my spreadsheets one day and try to try to see if there’s any statistical significance
I’m done with rosettes for now but I’m working on a crb project but it’s pretty slow going, with nothing interesting to document yet
Good luck on your rosette plans!



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2024-08-05 08:54:05
hey! been a minute, i hope your CRB project has been going smoothly! so far i’ve started breeding during the day when aiming for inheritance if at all possible, and i honestly think it may be a genuine factor! from personal observation, my king seems to be passing his rosettes a bit more frequently, at least from what i can tell in my pride! this is usually done with lionesses who have open slots where my king’s rosettes are



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2024-08-05 10:15:53
Imma be real, since the leopard tail item was released I don’t think rosettes have any value anymore. I started this project years ago back when rosettes were rarer and harder to pass but now they feel too common.

As for my CRB project I’m on on 165 ncls bred, and just had an amp grow up into a mane frizzy today!
I’m deciding on if I should make a public thread that I just keep updating regularly and selling any maned lionesses or muties



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