Posted by Clean and Dirty Lineages

<3 Seth <3 (#313297)

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2022-11-13 10:10:20
So I keep running into this problem where I believe I have Clean lions but then search through their heritage and find "This lion has 1 instance of inbreeding" or more. Why not make it to where instead of searching page after page (if the lion or lioness has a long af heritage), it just says how much inbreeding there is in total?

It'd save so much time instead of non stop searching. I lose track of numbers relatively fast (depending on situation) and I find It'd help so much. I used to have troubles finding a squeaky clean heir and I at one point thought I found some clean ones but they were dirty on different pages of their heritage.

It'd help if it said "This lion has # instances of inbreeding in total" including ALL amounts of inbreeding in its heritage. If it has none, then maybe just have nothing pop up?

Just I thought :> thank you for your time! If you disagree, don't hesitate saying why! I'd just like to know



This suggestion has 124 supports and 7 NO supports.



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Edited on 28/11/22 @ 04:12:08 by Seth (#313297)

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2022-11-13 21:17:25
As someone who has found some lions with some INSANELY big family trees, yes yes yes. It's heartbreaking for someone who wants clean lions to dig through a rare base or mutie only to find at the very end that they had like 7 instances of inbreeding.



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<3 Seth <3 (#313297)

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2022-11-14 04:13:22
I know! It happened to me not long ago when I was searching for heir. I had to search through pages and pages. Last lion page, it was clean only to find out my soon to be heir was very very dirty. Luckily I found a squeaky clean heir awhile later. It's just so annoying because there's so many long af heritages. It's so time consuming!!

Recently I got a beautiful cub from the giving tree that had 14 inbreeding instances ON THE FIRST PAGE! She's so pretty but so dirty. I wanted to count how many instances there were on all the pages but gave up because she has an extremely long lineage. I stopped at 36. It never ended :l I really think there should be an update to this



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2022-11-27 20:14:38
This would be actually a pretty helpful feature, but I wouldn't say that any lion that has no inbreeding is "clean".
There is also a Big 4 and eventually Ysdaar (some people start to call Ysdaar's children "dirty" because this king has huge stats and lots of cubs bred). Who know what happens when another stat gainer appears?
Like, even if there's a possibility to mark lions based on certain kings on their heritage "dirty", that's not fair to all the players who spend a lot of GB's to make their kings high-statters. Lioden is a friendly place and all people play using their different ways.
So I would suggest that mentioning the total inbreeding count on the first page would be nice, but no message should appear if there's no inbreeding at all. That's up to players to decide whether the lion is clean or not after that.



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<3 Seth <3 (#313297)

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2022-11-28 04:11:01
I didn't know soms people counted long lineage cubs to be dirty :l okay then! I just get annoyed of having to click page after page, it'd be nice just to have the inbreeding amount on the first page somewhere whilst having the option to scroll or if you click on one of the parents or grandparents it gives you the option to go to that lions page? That'd be neat. Thank you for your opinion though :D makes sense



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2023-03-13 11:00:25
Honestly generally hope a feature like this is added. On my main, I had some really pretty lionesses who I thought were clean only to dig through their heritage again to find a few instances of inbreeding, really far back. Plus this would be also really helpful for searching with kings and studs, hope this gets added



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2023-03-13 12:40:02
even if they don't add this or support this, at least have more than 4 generations on the each page. This would make inbreeding easier to find!



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<3 Seth <3 (#313297)

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2023-03-13 12:52:59
I agree! ^^



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2023-03-18 18:18:06
I'd like this feature! though I'd like to say that "clean" and "dirty" are not clearly defined terms within this game; some people use different definitions than others, and they aren't like, official or anything. inbreeding is something that can be defined though.

but a potential drawback to this is that it would likely make very very distant inbreeding noticeable, and that would mess with the way that I like to play, personally. like, if one lion has the same great great great great grandpa as another, realistically it isn't like, a a problem to breed to that other lion. I know this game isn't supposed to be realistic, but i feel like there should be a clear difference between breeding a lion to its sister vs to its like, 5th cousin thrice removed lol.

(an example of a lion that is too distantly inbred to count is like, the cub that comes if a g5 lion with "{name}" in the last slot on the top right breeds to another g5 lion with "{name}" in that last slot. it wouldnt show as inbreeding anywhere in the heritage of a cub from that breeding, no matter where you clicked. some people might like knowing this, but i think it would be sad to actually count that as inbreeding because realistically it really is not.)

this could be avoided though, just by going through every lion in the heritage and if none of them are inbred using the current inbreeding tracker (counts inbreeding as inbreeding up to the same great-great-grandparents), then the lion is not inbred. this is in contrast to a method that scans the whole entire heritage for any of the same lions and counts all of the instances where the same one occurs as inbreeding.

idk, maybe i'm the only one who thinks of it like this lol.

still supporting though



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2023-03-18 18:28:05
By clean and dirty I mean inbreeding! I am aware some people count different things as clean or dirty. I use it with the intention that a lion has inbreeding somewhere in their heritage.

I understand what you mean entirely! I usually avoid dirty lions overall but depending on what, I am fine with it! Maybe they can make a setting to where the inbreeding count goes back only so far such as great great grand-lions and up if you enable it. Otherwise, default would be counting all inbreeding in total! If that is what you meant and if it would help, then of course! I'm sorry if this does not make sense. I have a headache atm

Thank you so much for the opinion! ^^



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2023-06-17 15:51:52
If memory serves, the reason why they haven't done this already is for server strain purposes for really heavily inbred lions with miles-long heritages. Would love to have this as a feature if it's possible, regardless!



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<3 Seth <3 (#313297)

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2023-06-18 17:25:08
Thank you for your input! ^^



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2023-06-21 00:21:39
I see what you're saying but after reading what #209190 said, I honestly think it’d just be better if that feature wasnt added. I suggest maybe sticking to low gen lions to make it easier to track heritage but idk



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2024-05-16 15:42:19
Hi, me with the random reply to this thread like a whole year later....
1. I found this cuz i was curious on whether the site allowed inbreeding or not. o.O (Flight rising doesn't. unless its 7 generations separated. by that point the gene line is so muddled its non existent.)

2. adding the family tree on this site, oof. but what about making a separate site dedicated to family trees? like how we have the wiki for guidance?

3. that said. what reason does allowing inbreeding serve for the site? 0.0 cuz like, it could be a blocked thing for x amount of generation like with FR.
- 3.A: that said, yes IK it would make keeping stats and marks and such harder, as the gene pool would be muddled. thus increasing the prices of those things and making it darn near impossible for new players to even catch up. BUT, it would also make it so you have no choice but to get rid of your cubs for room! :D so any new marks and such will have to placed into the game.
- 3.B: It would also mean that NCLs with no family tree would have more value than they do now as they are a first generation. The giving tree is putting your faith in the RNG. (you may get a lion related to your king.)

4) this is just my thoughts. I personally didn't know inbreeding was allowed till I saw it mentioned in chatter. I was shocked! I'm now wondering how many of my lioness could be possibly related to my king. I was trying to avoid inbreeding while playing this game, but now knowing I may not have a choice is kinda irritating and sickening to me. i get its a game, but like, its the morality of it....does it have purpose? If it doesn't why even allow it? :(



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