Posted by The State of BO Breeding

jester 🍂 (#187711)

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2022-12-23 17:25:25

Hello there! Welcome to a general discussion thread I've made, with the help of members in the Breed-Only Beauties Clan Discord. This is not a suggestion thread, but rather us getting on our hands and knees and begging staff to do something about the state of BO breeding. It's been bad for a while, but with all the new traits released this year, as well as the boom in player numbers, it's been made clear it's getting worse and worse. Consider this something of an open letter, and all BO breeders are encouraged to participate.
For this thread, we are considering all Tier 2, July + August + NCL Exclusive Tier 3s, and Tier 4 markings as BO markings.

We're grateful for the increase in popularity that BO breeding has experienced in the past year with the new player boom, and breeding BO markings has turned into an amazing community that I've met some of my closest friends through. And yet, despite this new popularity and boom in BO breeding, it's in it's worse state ever. New markings rarely if ever spread, raffle lionesses disappear more often than not, and sometimes traits take weeks to even show up on raffle lionesses. As well as this, so much misinformation existed around around BO breeding to the point where Marking Opacity actually affecting breeding wasn't caught until April of this year.
To reiterate, this is NOT a suggestion thread, and is just a megathread for BO breeders to discuss their own problems with the current state of breeding BO markings.

After a long discussion, we've determined the problems with BO breeding can be boiled down to around three distinct points. These points are as follows:

Raffle Lionesses are bad at spreading BO traits
TL,DR: Raffle Lionesses carry the burden of distributing a marking throughout the entire site, and with the extreme increase of popularity of both Lioden and BO breeding, raffle lionesses are no longer a sustainable way to distribute new traits. BO breeders are the only category of breeders on site who have to worry about if the markings we need are obtainable.

Non-RL systems for BO traits are a gamble
TL,DR: The only other way for BO traits to be distributed in game are through either RMAs or May Groupies, which are limited to markings and bases and those traits only. There are no other ways to spread either new or rare BO traits, such as eyes or mane color, meaning we have to rely on these raffle lionesses to be bred and their cubs to be sold.

The current systems in place make hoarding BO attributes easy
TL,DR: Current systems for spreading new BO traits make it extremely easy for one person to just get lucky and sell the cubs resulting from it for extortionist prices, or just not sell them at all, cutting this BO trait off for everyone else on the site.

These respective points have been split into replies, to make reading and understanding them easier, and keep this thread from being a wall of text.

Any suggestions/discussion points I really like will also be quoted here, since I find keeping stuff in the main post is a good way to get people to read it!




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Edited on 23/12/22 @ 17:40:31 by jester [g1 tov bush rlc] (#187561)

Moses 🍉 (#95222)


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Posted on
2022-12-30 16:27:44
you ate and left no crumbs jester



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Vanii [Main] (#36229)

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Posted on
2022-12-30 16:37:59
@M𓂀SES (#95222). Forreal, Jester was not playing no more. They are SPITTENNN.

And now I will continue to bump this till we get some feed back from staff or anyone who wants to tackle this issue. Its disheartening so many of us want markings but cannot obtain them



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Posted on
2022-12-30 16:38:50
yes, yes, yes,, thank you for writing such a great post that condense everything nicely. i haven't been bo breeding for too long and have run into many of the problems that you mentioned, it's so frustrating to see markings go to waste in inactive accounts, or accounts that may not have the ability to clone or spread their markings, and be unable to recover them.



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snowmew [G1 14BO
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Posted on
2022-12-31 14:52:14
commenting to show my support. something really needs to change



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Fern [side] (#163971)

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Posted on
2022-12-31 22:33:26
Very thoughtfully written and I agree this is all a huge problem.

Throwing in a personal anecdote: back in August 2021, I bought several heats from the 13 August Mudstone RL, the first lion on site with Gold Indri (in slot 3, to be specific). I never managed to get a clone, but I did get a cub with Gold Indri who I kinged and opened for studding with a reasonable price and no restrictions. I only kept him for about a month because I had other plans I wanted to get to, but I'm regretting that now because of how slot 3 Gold Indri is doing now, over a year later:





If only there was the option to use a dynasty king's looks on an heir... Makes me sad it didn't spread nearly as much as I thought it would at the time.



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Dork [G1 Qahir
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Posted on
2022-12-31 22:36:30
I am only just now seriously getting into BO breeding, but I definitely see a lot of what is being discussed here (having an NRLC stud myself). Getting those traits to pass is like pulling teeth.

Following the discussion from here. :3



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2023-01-01 09:24:46
"If only there was the option to use a dynasty king's looks on an heir... Makes me sad it didn't spread nearly as much as I thought it would at the time."

In response to Fern [side] (#163971):
I finally wrote up the old idea that I had years back, specifically with this very crisis in mind.

Suggestion: [Mar] The Frozen Ark Project: Gene Bank (Item)



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LilacDragons|G1IcePr
imal|s8ros (#125822)

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Posted on
2023-01-02 06:06:52
Absolutely! I've been playing for years, and just haven't been able to get into BO breeding because of how expensive and energy-intensive it was to get any progress at all. I was lucky enough to be one of the few users that got a Marigold Rims lioness back in 2017, and the marking took off, but that isn't the case for many others. Even simply changing the rate of BO marks for RMAs would make a difference. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for people who choose to focus on BO features.



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Nausiicaa | G2 Ankh
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2023-01-06 12:49:33
I love the way you have brought attention to this issue. I have recently came back to LD after many years (literally, last I played was in 2014), and the difference simply from the growing player base is astounding. I am not too in to BO traits, but damn those seal markings… I want them so bad. Unfortunately, they are largely inaccessible at the moment due to a few factors.

I would love if we had multiple RL’s per week- maybe with all or mostly the same markings/traits- but all (or most) in different slots per RL. It would not only help the markings to be more accessible in multiple slots, but it would also help a little with the dilemma of the RL going to a player that becomes inactive before the marking(s) can properly spread via breeding the RL with the desired marking(s).



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drakenvale [G2 ankh
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2023-01-09 12:14:01
YES, thank you so much for how articulate everything you've written is. I've been working on a BO project for a bit now involving dawn markings and the hoarding of certain dawn slots and the fact that one of the RLs with a rare dawn slot is owned by an inactive account absolutely destroys a lot of chances for this project and many many other breed only breed only projects that already take a year or more to complete to be finished before the lion you've created is no longer desirable. I do like the idea of something like how wolvden does raffles, where it's a stud instead that a handful of players have the chance to breed to, otherwise a couple more players winning a RL won't kill the market for RLs or RLCs because there's a chance for that market to not exist at all with hoarding and inactivity.



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jester [im autistic]
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2023-01-24 22:31:35
Over a month after making this thread, I've decided to come back and check on the manes.

So, let's get onto the manes. SPOILER: It's not looking good! Click on the spoiler to see actual numbers. To this day, the only mane with more than 100 lions is Cimmerian. Keep in mind, these manes were originally added to Wardrobe on August 17th, 2022. Five months later, some of them are still unreleased. Five months later, the vast majority of then have not broken 100 lions in game. I did not verify if all of these lions are living, so if my numbers are off a little, my bad.


So... I have a few possible suggestions for these to be helped out? Namely, allow Groupies to have any mane color, just like how they can have almost any marking, base, or eye color in game. Or add a Random Mane Color Changer, with a small chance of giving BO mane colors. I'm not really sure what else could be done, but it's so frustrating to see these traits spreading at a snail's pace. There is nothing we can do to speed up the release of these mane colors, unlike with markings where there's always the absurdly tiny chance it'll be rolled randomly via RMA.



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🐉Giena
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Posted on
2023-01-24 22:36:35
Hmmm maybe we need to start a mane saving project



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mutt 🐺❄️
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2023-01-26 15:20:00
wasn't familiar with this topic until reading this thread, but it raises some very good points! very well written, and i'd like to see something done to help fix the issues outlined here!



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-01-26 20:01:19
I wonder if there is merrit to having Raffle Studs where up to 3 people can win a stud with the male variation of the raffle girl. Lionesses bred to him will only have 1 cub, and it's not a guarantee what markings, bases or manes you will get, but it might at least put some of these marks into the game pool.



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🐉Giena
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Posted on
2023-01-26 23:28:59
I would love to see wolvden-like raffles



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