Posted by The State of BO Breeding

jester 🍂 (#187711)

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Posted on
2022-12-23 17:25:25

Hello there! Welcome to a general discussion thread I've made, with the help of members in the Breed-Only Beauties Clan Discord. This is not a suggestion thread, but rather us getting on our hands and knees and begging staff to do something about the state of BO breeding. It's been bad for a while, but with all the new traits released this year, as well as the boom in player numbers, it's been made clear it's getting worse and worse. Consider this something of an open letter, and all BO breeders are encouraged to participate.
For this thread, we are considering all Tier 2, July + August + NCL Exclusive Tier 3s, and Tier 4 markings as BO markings.

We're grateful for the increase in popularity that BO breeding has experienced in the past year with the new player boom, and breeding BO markings has turned into an amazing community that I've met some of my closest friends through. And yet, despite this new popularity and boom in BO breeding, it's in it's worse state ever. New markings rarely if ever spread, raffle lionesses disappear more often than not, and sometimes traits take weeks to even show up on raffle lionesses. As well as this, so much misinformation existed around around BO breeding to the point where Marking Opacity actually affecting breeding wasn't caught until April of this year.
To reiterate, this is NOT a suggestion thread, and is just a megathread for BO breeders to discuss their own problems with the current state of breeding BO markings.

After a long discussion, we've determined the problems with BO breeding can be boiled down to around three distinct points. These points are as follows:

Raffle Lionesses are bad at spreading BO traits
TL,DR: Raffle Lionesses carry the burden of distributing a marking throughout the entire site, and with the extreme increase of popularity of both Lioden and BO breeding, raffle lionesses are no longer a sustainable way to distribute new traits. BO breeders are the only category of breeders on site who have to worry about if the markings we need are obtainable.

Non-RL systems for BO traits are a gamble
TL,DR: The only other way for BO traits to be distributed in game are through either RMAs or May Groupies, which are limited to markings and bases and those traits only. There are no other ways to spread either new or rare BO traits, such as eyes or mane color, meaning we have to rely on these raffle lionesses to be bred and their cubs to be sold.

The current systems in place make hoarding BO attributes easy
TL,DR: Current systems for spreading new BO traits make it extremely easy for one person to just get lucky and sell the cubs resulting from it for extortionist prices, or just not sell them at all, cutting this BO trait off for everyone else on the site.

These respective points have been split into replies, to make reading and understanding them easier, and keep this thread from being a wall of text.

Any suggestions/discussion points I really like will also be quoted here, since I find keeping stuff in the main post is a good way to get people to read it!




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Edited on 23/12/22 @ 17:40:31 by jester [g1 tov bush rlc] (#187561)

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-01-27 00:10:47
What does wolvden do for raffles?



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🐉Giena
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Posted on
2023-01-27 01:20:05
They do a raffle stud, almost the same thing as savage studs in August. You pay with asked item and enter for a chance to breed with raffle wolf. Idk exact number but a few players win and stud with a rw



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-01-27 02:45:58
Sounds like it'd be a lot more effective than a single raffle girl



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Desolace, Colorbomb (#36375)

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Posted on
2023-04-30 05:30:00
SUPPORT!!!

I like the idea that 4 identical RL's are given to 4 random players when the raffle ends.

Someone can hoard theirs all they want, but the other 3 players might actually get the breeding done or sell it or offer up a breeding.

Wolvden has a stud raffle. That would also be a better option.

Odds of winning a RL have gone down so bad I dont even bother any more. You used to see about 900-1200 entries per lioness, but now we see 6000+ for only one lioness. So now, odds are 1/1000 per month is now 1/6000 per month per account.

It really says something that Lioden used to tell who won the lioness in the news post, but now they dont, because people get messaged hard for that lioness.

LIODEN IS AWARE AND DOES NOTHING TO FIX IT.

I've been on LD for 10 years. Its time to change this.



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Edited on 30/04/23 @ 05:31:56 by Desolace, Colorbomb (#36375)

jester [im autistic]
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Posted on
2023-06-26 12:00:39
Necro'ing this thread to bring up a few new things. I recently did the math, and counting Tier 2 and Tier 3 BO, only about 18% of all markings on site are BO. In addition, it's recently come to my attention that the wiki page for raffle slots mentions hoarding, for no reason, as it hasn't been an issue since 2017. I have not met a single hoarder in my time in BO breeding and I've been here since late 2019, I've always been able to get the slots I need without a single problem.

ok rant over but it just makes me sad how dirty bo breeders are done.



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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)

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Posted on
2024-02-13 12:00:51
I believe i supported an actual game dev post about some similar ideas to this, so may as well comment so people in chatter can see it, despite jester now being inactive the post's meaning is still very much the same and it needs to be made more public.



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Cupid [G4 Velvet x7
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Posted on
2024-06-25 23:33:41
Made in 2022 but this still holds up. I'm prepping for a heavy BO king project (Non-RLC based), and looking at the markings I want then seeing their availability is genuinely so painful LMAO. There are better ways to be spreading these markings, please Lioden!! 😭



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Edited on 25/06/24 @ 23:36:11 by Cupid [G4 Velvet x7 BO | 920+] (#379527)







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