Good idea! I would like if it was possible stud them off to other lionesses (not from their current pride), or having the option to use the sub male when you send a reverse breeding request instead of it automatically using your king to breed the lioness

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I do not support this because Sub Males are just that. Sub males. In prides the sub males (not the main male) will never be allowed to breed with the lionesses of the pride. They are there to protect and that is about it.

On lioden they are used to bring back items and young males. For players that means for the 14 years 11 months of a submales life, they can be patrolled to gain stats. They then can be used as a stat rep for the current king. Keeping his looks but having a better stat, lower generation or even clean heritage.

Lioden has said they will not allow Sub males to breed. Leveling a sub male will just be reset as soon as he is kinged, so that is a waste of time to level them. And even if you could get something from leveling them then Lioden would have to find a way to re-work the patrolling feature to include Experience to be able to level up your submale with out the use of items. And currently Patrolling is the only way to get stats on a Submale, its just like Hunting is the only way to get Stats on a lioness; unless you feed them a stat giving item (Honeycomb, Egg Yolk, ect). For kings this is different. They get stats from Leveling up, from being feed stat giving items and from the game called Boaball.

What you are suggesting Is something i don't ever see happening. As that would just cause more issues when trying to stat up your heir.

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I’m not just suggesting they breed that’s fine like I said in my full post that I can see why that wouldn’t happen what I’m saying is they are utterly useless especially once you’ve gotten all the items from them patrolling unless you are leveling up an heir. There are so many males in the tree because they have no real use why spend money on a sub male slot? They don’t need to be useless they can have some purpose even if it’s for vanity purposes but you’d know this if you read the full post and didn’t single in on the thing I called unlikely

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I didn't single in on one thing. I mentioned how Lioden won't allow one thing then went into talk about the uses of a submale and how leveling the submale isn't a viable option. As that gets reset once they are kinged.

What you are proposing is to have a re-work of the whole Submale aspect of the game. Which currently doesn't need to be reworked.

Patrolling a submale is to mainly gain Stats. Which is what most players do.

Adding in other things for a submale to do is not something I see happening. Seeing as there is really only one use for them. That is to have them trained (gain stats through patrolling) to become your next king.

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Yea because what’s the point of having a feature that’s practically useless? It does need reworked because then there is hardly a use for them other than that I mean how many males do you see that are practically useless even when they have good marks or mutation I mean look at the tree right now seems to me something about the males being useless needs changed but don’t worry you can have your stats still like I said in my post just wishing for something along side it so they aren’t totally useless when you don’t need an heir

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The submale slots aren't useless though, they are there for future heirs or mutations which you can transfer onto your king at a future point. Submales themselves are good for training your adolescents, patrolling for stats for potential stat rep purposes (like Shadow mentions) and of course they find goodies on occasion.

I'm not using my submale slots optimally right now, and I guess neither is the OP So I understand how people might feel they need more. But making more of a fuss of submales takes away from your current king.

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Yeah, the submales don't really do much than patrol, rep, train male adols, and be potential heirs, but the last part is unimportant if the current king is young, the third part is negated if there are no male adols (also since submale slots are expensive it's unlikely that a player will have many males on them to begin with), and the second part is also redundant if the current king already has what the player wants, leaving just patrolling as the only full-time feature a submale has. As it is, submales don't do very much for many players, especially since there are more restrictions on the number of males a pride can have.
Also, lion prides tend to be led by a coalition of up to 4 males and while a hierarchy exists, real submales aren't quite as restricted as the Lioden versions, so submales should definitely be able to do more stuff that's accessible in all conditions.

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Very very hesitant to support.

1. I do not agree that Sub males should be able to have "heat/studs" sold from them. If they were used as "Sub-studs" it would definitely make some rarer markings way more common and devalue them. It would have the potential to crash the lion market more than it already is. I also don't agree with Submales being able to provoke attacks or find lionesses. Both of these are just too overpowered or not explained enough for me really to see the appeal. I don't want my sub to start bringing back random lionesses who I don't have time or resources for.

2. I do like the idea of higher level males having the chance at bringing back better prizes though! This gives incentive to level up and patrol those males who aren't going to be used a heir! However I don't think they should be able to bring anything too valuable back. I agree with the idea of having the chance to maybe bring back a black stallion!

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Kimamjano yeah I was just spitballing ideas I know some of them are shit I just feel like sub males should be a little more useful and yeah nothin big that they’d bring back

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Maybe they could breed, but they can only do this once per x amount of rollovers and they can only breed lions within the pride they live in to prevent rarer traits from becoming too common or devaluing studs. I know that Lioden plays very loose and fast w/ lion biology but as far as I know nondominant males in a coalition could breed, it's just that the top male gets to pick first and breed more often.

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Submales being able to breed was rejected here: https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429209168

These might be subject to change in far future but for time being these ideas will be auto-rejected to not break the game: these will be added as time goes, or addressed in news for whole community if these are considered to change.

BREEDING:
Inbreeding effects
Mutations inheritance - restricted to special items/mutations at this point
Submales able to breed

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I was just saying that submales are not really important and was spitballing any ideas for them to be important I did stay then mmm breeding was highly unlikely

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