I feel like this would be helpful! but you could always put it in their footnote

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This would have to be a toggle that's disabled by default, imo- mostly because clean breeding is a playstyle choice and this might really bother a lot of people who don't care about it.

I have absolutely made this mistake a number of times in the past, despite footnotes (I'm just bad at paying attention to them ngl)- I just call it impromptu CRB breeding at this point lol

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Definitely agree about it being a toggle! I personally think a toggle feature would be great for this. Some people don't care which is fine. I understand. So, completely agree on that one!

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In most cases you could put it in your footnote, sure. But if there's a lot or even just one "newly claimed lioness" in both their heritages, its impossible to tell if they're gonna be related until its too late and the cubs are born inbred, unfortunately. I've never had this happen to me, luckily, but I've had several people tell me they had no idea their king and lionesses were related, with them eventually finding out when the cubs were inbred.

Anyways, I support. I think this is a great idea!

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i don’t rlly think this would be added, as it caters to a specific player base. if it were to be added, it would have to be a toggle. i’m a dirty breeder so it’d be more of a pain to have to click off of the warning jsut to breed two lions, but thats how i play the game. and like you mentioned, it’d be hell to code for heritages that go wayyy back (example: ive seen heritages go all the way back to kings when people started)
support if toggle, no support if not a toggle

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That would be a nightmare to code; the site would need to run a separate comparing script each time somebody tries to breed a lion, I cant even imagine what strain it will put up on the server if each time somebody even tries to breed a lion this script had to run and compare lions to tell if you're going to have inbreeding or not. No support, sorry. WAY too much server strain for such a small use feature.

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"That would be a nightmare to code"
I strongly disagree. FlightRising has features in place to prevent inbreeding (proving it's not impossible to code in), and Lioden already has a "This lion has _ instances of inbreeding" coded in. It wouldn't be hard at all to take the latter and apply it to lions you're trying to breed. It could easily act the same as the "Are you sure you want to _?" alerts that the site already has in place.

Nobody's saying block all inbreeding like FR does, but having a message that says "These lions share an ancestor within 3 generations of each other, are you sure you want to continue?" would be helpful to those who need it, and won't hurt anyone who doesn't care.

Sure, some people could just put it in their notes, but if you didn't breed the lions yourself, you may end up breeding relatives together. I JUST adopted a cub from the Giving Tree, and found out her great-great-grandfather is also the great-grandfather of the lion I wanted to breed her to, which gives me a bit of an ick feeling.

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lioden's code isnt the same as flight rising's code. i don't know if you've noticed, but lioden only calculates the amount of inbreeding per page. I'm 99% if it was just that easy to calculate inbreeding for the full heritage, it would already be coded into the game.

what takes longer- days or weeks spent coding this, or the 30 seconds it takes to check both lion's heritage?

if you accidentally breed them together, CRB is always an option. Or you could just take the L and wait for her next heat. no support unless the lioden coding update makes this an easier option for the coding team.

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I support this! Perhaps it could only apply to the first page of the lion's heritage. When you choose to breed a lioness that is related to your king, there could be an option "Are you sure? You are related to this lioness!", but it applies ONLY to the first page of the lion's heritage.

Personally, It would help a lot of people, especially for those with huge breeding projects that have 20-30 lionesses to breed with, but dont have enough time to check through every single one of their heritages

On top of that, especially with some players who cannot afford CRBs, it would be really helpful for them to ensure that their cubs remain clean without having to make them waste GB because they didn't check, or couldn't dig through the entire lion's heritage.

With it being restricted only to the first page of the lion's heritage, personally, i would feel that it might be somewhat easier to code, rather than comparing the entire heritage of both lions.

Additionally, some people use lion footnotes for things like titles, or lore-related things for their pride (like me!). With a function like this, it would be a lot easier instead of having to jump between different windows and tabs just to make sure two lions aren't related, especially with lions with longer heritages.

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1. It wouldn't take "weeks to code" if they already have all the parts needed to make this work. They have family trees, inbreeding detection, confirmation popups, and breeding alerts. They spend time coding WAY more complicated things. They coded the minigames, for example. I'm pretty sure that was far more complicated than a popup. Pretending it DOES take a week to code this feature, that one week for a lifetime versus a lifetime of thousands of users spending 20 minutes looking through family trees? The math isn't what you think it is. If we follow your logic, we shouldn't build cars because 1 car takes longer to build than a man can walk 40 miles. Would you like to walk 40 miles every time you needed a loaf of bread?

And yeah, not everyone can afford CRBs. Not everyone can spend real-world money on a browser game. Not everyone has expendable income.

And personally, I'd want the first two pages, but that's just me. Because, as I just found, one lion's grandparents are another's great-great grandparents. One of these two lions also has the same relative in his heritage 9 times.

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okay jack, code it. if you can show me that it is possible to code such a thing, integrate it with lioden’s current code, i’d be willing to change my mind and support this idea.

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Hey guys, reminder. This is just a suggestion. This isn't a "it's going to be done/has to be done." Please don't argue over something as simple as this. It's just a suggestion/idea.

You don't have to support it. You aren't legally bound to choose one or the other. So, please move on and don't fight, thanks. Thank you for everyone's input. Great ideas and points here.

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I guess I'll support if it's a toggle, but absolutely no support if not a toggle. I literally couldn't give a shit about inbreeding, my current king has like, 11 instances on page one. I care about stats and aesthetics, and I'd be less inclined to play the game if I had to click through a bunch of worthless fluff about how my pixel lions have pixel ancestors.

But as others did point out - it does seem to be a lot of coding on old infrastructure for such a small-use feature. As a programmer...stuff tends to be a bit more complicated than just what you see on the user interface. And there is a chance that such a feature could definitely slog the ever-loving shit out of the servers...and more importantly, out of the devices folks are using. I imagine we would be facing lag on par with the wardrobe, and that's not something I would want to deal with. Imo, it's better to just...if you care about inbreeding, check it on your own. It's not a long process, and I know long-gens aren't desirable and most clean breeders don't keep them anyways. Keeps the staff able to focus on the more important things and keeps the servers content.

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Jack,
I hate to break it to you, but nowadays, cars really don't take all too long to build at all. Unless you don't break and you walk relatively swift, the car will be done before you walk 40 miles at an average pace.

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"Jack,
I hate to break it to you, but nowadays, cars really don't take all too long to build at all. Unless you don't break and you walk relatively swift, the car will be done before you walk 40 miles at an average pace."

It takes an estimated 18 hours to make a car from start to finish, and 17 hour to walk 40 miles. I already checked that before even making a statement. But thank you.

Very cool pfp by the way.

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