So, it wouldn't cost anyone extra to use?

That's my main issue with it, there are some marking slots that are incredibly valuable because people let them die out and they've suddenly resurged in popularity because of people trying to revive dead RLs, I have seen some rare slotted lions go for literally hundreds of GB, and you're considering letting people bring back a king of their choice for at most 35GB?

That's kind of a slap in the face to people who have specifically hunted down and preserved those slots, those who have paid through the nose to save them and spread them, to then have someone go "teehee i'm going to mass breed 200+ lionesses with the marking and ruin the market xoxo"

Assuming 1 lion with 1 desirable/rare marking breeds 200 lionesses (not unreasonable, I have 195 territory at time of posting), that's potentially between 200 and 800 cubs with the marking. Lets assume it only passes 25% of the time, that's still 50 to 200 cubs born with the marking, and it can be done every. three. days.

Within 30 days that's 1350 to 5400 cubs (30 - the initial 3 days pregnancy, then 27 x 50 & 27 x 200).

Rare mark breeding is a whole segment of the market worth hundreds if not thousands of GB to some players, this would ruin that.

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OP said it could be no extra cost OR an extra fee. They didn't just suggest only no fee.

I wouldn't be opposed as long as it was expensive! I'd like it I think, actually. A lot more freedom.

But again—as long as it's fairly expensive.

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Actually, if you read it they only mention the "early kinging" fee.

"This could cost an extra fee when retiring your current king early"

Which is the 15GB surcharge for kinging another king within 30 days of your last kinging.

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I actually did read it, but we interpreted it a little differently. OP is the only one who can say for sure what they meant. I stand by what I said previously. As long as it's expensive.

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I did add the extra fee as an option as quoted here-
"This could cost an extra fee when retiring your current king early, or just be listed in the usual drop-down menu with no extra fees."

Ultimately of course it would be up to the staff, both the fee and if they installed a "this lion is worth this much so you'd have to pay this amount to bring back their looks" feature. Yes with rare markings they do have a certain value to them but I don't think it would be a slap to someone's face if ONE more person decided to help revive the slot, especially if it was the original person to bring about the slot in the first place. People spending thousands of gb on something like that is entirely their choice, and whoever has the king likely also made the choice to spend thousands of GB to get him. He belongs to them and they DO have the choice on whether or not they get to breed/mass breed him. Personally on most kings I have had with rare marks, they VERY seldom passed the good ones, even if said king was stacked. So there is no guarantee that your numbers would hold, especially with NCL's being the main source of "mass breeding" that you can get. They could have markings in slots that end up overriding the ones you want, so it really is a game of RNG.
Yeah you can TECHNICALLY do it every 3 days, but ONLY if you have an absurd amount of space for all of your lionesses AND whatever cubs you choose to keep.

Based on all that, there's a chance that out of a batch of 100+ cubs, there could be as few as 10 to 20 that are deemed worth keeping or selling based on their looks. I highly doubt that if someone is trying to get multiple marks/BO traits onto one cub, they'd waste the resources on a potato that only has one of the desired slots

Considering the lions in question were already kinged at some point, there's also no telling that it would actually ruin the economy or if it would help. I also feel like this was a very emotionally charged response to my suggestion, just based on your wording, which honestly seemed a bit condescending at points. I think that saying the whole idea would ruin peoples' efforts is a bit far fetched and you should give people a little more credit than the "everyone would use this for evil market ruining" mentality. There's nothing stopping said players from reaching out to whoever revived said king and working something out with them. This seems more like an issue of controlling the market than actually getting marks back out there, which I do not agree with, sorry. I believe that spreading marks is awesome and fully support the idea that there will always be rare and new markings to bring about and spread, as there are quite literally thousands of Tier 2 marking options. When one becomes less rare, another will fall out or pop up, the cycle is neverending, and there are only so many kings with old rare markings on still-active accounts.
At most I'd say it would be weird for a bit until everything balanced out, which is completely reasonable considering the economy and LD itself is constantly changing!

Like just a few years ago, it was like taboo if someone cloned a raffle lioness more than once, nowadays everyone is getting as many clones as they can! Which is awesome because it also helps prevent certain people from completely controlling the market. Same thing with rosettes, it used to be almost impossible to get more than 2 rosettes on a king, 3 was almost unheard of, and 4 was GOD TIER awesome. Nowadays, triple and quad rosettes are becoming more and more common, but they still sell for a pretty penny.

As a conclusion, I made this suggestion WITH the market and everything else in mind. Not everyone has an old king with super rare marks/traits, and a LOT of people who do are likely inactive or banned, as I have come to notice in my return to LD.

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It does seem my statement on "extra fee" was misinterpreted so I will expand on that in the topic post!

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Assuming this is the other topic you're referring to, it actually suggests the same thing: old king's appearance being put onto the heir's age/mutation/stats. So unless I'm misunderstanding your OP, it is the same idea, not separate ^^

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The one I was referring to was bringing back the king himself; heritage, mutation, stats, the whole package, which is not what this is.
I just read over klutz's and mine has different elements to it, like Klutz was suggesting the chosen heir to be aged more because of the process as well as having other things be messed with on the heir other than appearance, mine does not. It would work like any other retirement process and wouldn't have any effect on the new king other than changing their looks. I'm open to suggestions on extra fees and how much those should cost in general but I don't agree with some of Klutz's points.

Overall they're extremely similar, but they are different suggestions in terms of execution and "penalty" ideas, either way thank you for pointing it out! I will edit mine to be a little more different if I can come up with any ideas.

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