Posted by -STUCK- Feedback Request: New Layout

Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2023-10-13 22:29:46
Quoted from the October Development Update #61:

New Lioden Layout


We previously shared a preview of a new layout that we had designed for Lioden's recode. There was a mixed reaction, and we've taken that on board. We went back to square one - we'd like to get your feedback on a new design that we've created, heavily inspired by the current layout - just spruced up a bit, and modernized to use more current web technology!

Some Notes:
* This is not the final iteration of the layout, it's a preview build - there may be minor issues that will be fixed, or things that we rearrange. Please don't worry about bug reporting or making suggestions for repositioning at this point - we're looking for feedback about how the layout as a whole feels to you!
* This layout should be fully mobile responsive, including the lion images and their layers
* We are about 99% of the way with color contrast accessibility, and the new accent colors (buttons, progress bars [hunger, energy, etc]) should be colorblind friendly.
* Alerts can cause a problem due to very similar brightnesses so icons have been added to alerts to counteract any bad interactions with colorblindness.
* Layout Preview Settings: At the bottom of the page there are two options for layout settings.
* Text can be resized to your preference within a range. The current default text size (90%) is the most similar to Lioden's current text size. 100% will be the new default when this layout launches, but we will automatically set everyone who is a member at the time to 90% so it's less of a harsh adjustment right away. The plan is that when the layout is implemented, this will be a setting on your account that you can change at will.
* The site's theme can be changed to the game's existing layout themes (Day/Default, Night and Desert) and there is a new Dark theme. We are still tweaking Dark theme, and it's important to note that Night and Desert are lower contrast themes and may cause accessibility issues.

Preview a Lion Page

View the Theme Elements Page

Bonus: Landing Page (Xylax is unhappy about the age of the art we've used, it will be updated ;D)


Please give any and all feedback within this topic! We may not be able to respond to all comments, but we will read everything and take your thoughts into account.

UPDATE: Post by Abbey (#1)
UPDATE 2: Post by Abbey (#1)





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Edited on 14/10/23 @ 05:31:04 by a Moderator

MorningStar -G1
Wicked Nun (#26098)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 17:32:05
Maybe it's just me but with the tweeks you have done I don't find it cluttered at all....
probably the simple answer is to have some of the sections be able to be hidden/collapsed to help the people who do feel its an issue.

I am really liking the night and dark theme, though I think the colors for the hunger/energy bars etc should be in color.



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Edited on 14/10/23 @ 17:33:03 by morningstar1 (#26098)

simon (#92451)


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Posted on
2023-10-14 17:34:26
Currently on PC, haven't checked it out on mobile. I am not colorblind and I use the Night theme.

My thoughts:
- Landing page is awesome. Smooth, easy, not too crowded or overwhelming.
- Icons are shocking right now, but I can see them being helpful once I'm used to it.
- I love having the image of my king on the side. I think will be super useful to keep track of which account I'm on, though could be grating if you don't like your king.
- The flat modern buttons are harsh on the eyes. The lines and shading/highlighting around the buttons in the current layout really give that lovely "raised" and textured feel, so I'd hate to see that feature removed.

I love that you guys are addressing the accessibility issues and are really taking player feedback to heart. Super super appreciate you guys and all the work you do <3



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4R Ferus (#172483)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 17:51:31
this looks too much like Wolvden, i remember when Wolvden came out the devs said they wouldn't make Lioden like Wolvden and vise versa....yet here we are. but all your hard work is still appreciated.



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Boxer (#409726)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 19:00:41
As cool as it looks, I prefer the current design we have. The new one is overly complicated. Some of the things not making sense to me. The design we currently have is definitely simpler than the new one. It's a wonderful idea but I think all around the current one we have is as of at the moment better.

Maybe adding percentages and taking away so many buttons on the lion page will make that better, as it feels just too long. Speaking of buttons the rounded ones I find a tad childish compared to the squared ones lol.

Also I'm not really loving the new landing page, it feels too long as well. I like the idea of it like the new art and such but it's too long and could make people possibly lose interest.

The themes I love, especially the dark theme.

Another thing is I know it's not just me, so maybe we could have a button to switch between the new styles.



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Edited on 14/10/23 @ 21:36:45 by Boxer (#409726)

🎄⛄ leon (#208511)


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Posted on
2023-10-14 20:06:01
I appreciate you guys taking the time to respond and update. While the new version still isn't to my taste, I know it's a lot of my neurodivergence reacting violently to change. I think the new iteration is a lot better than what we were given initially, and mobile looks a lot better. I think I could probably get used to this, though I agree with people making points about aesthetics (more child-friendly looking etc.)

I'm not sure I understand where the biography is meant to be. Will the bio be full-length like it is now above the settings and actions?



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Edited on 14/10/23 @ 20:43:37 by leon 🦇🩸 (#208511)

NoobOfDoom - Fulvous (#122536)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 20:17:13
I’m confused by the repeated descriptions of childish, go google a game for children like hmm Animal Jam, that’s childish!

This new layout, is not at all childish. They have to update it, websites can’t stay the same, they need to grow alongside new standards, software and technology.



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Talmoi (Side) (#20320)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 20:37:55
I like the Changes

My only suggestion (for the lions page) would be to expand the markings box a tiny bit so you can see the first 10 slots fully without having to scroll or expand. I’m on mobile, not sure if it’s the same on pc.





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🎄⛄ leon (#208511)


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2023-10-14 20:41:03
I think part of what gives it the vibe of being more childlike are the rounded buttons. I prefer the sharp boxes. But those are aesthetic issues, not fundamental issues.

We all know the site has to update and change; the aesthetic complaints aren't really about that. People like a certain look.



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Edited on 14/10/23 @ 20:42:09 by leon 🦇🩸 (#208511)

HollyBerry (#246143)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 21:26:08
I won't lie the new layout idea looks a lot like the Wolvden layout. When I joined Wolvden I actually completely stopped playing it because I found the layout difficult to navigate and cluttered. I think New lioden idea is giving me the same type of feelings.

I'm honestly not a fan. I can see this new layout deterring new players, and pushing away old ones, like myself. Also like others had said, it looks almost more childish with the rounded buttons and brighter colors. Which considering the 16 age minimum might cause more children to enter the site. Overall I honestly don't like it, maybe some tweaks could be made. But I think the current layout is better.



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FNaF Foxy {Clean
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Posted on
2023-10-14 21:52:44
Honestly, i love how things look for this preveiw, i can easily see the buttons and the colors help me easily reconize what each means without needing to see what they say first before i focus on it and go 'ah, that's what i thought.'

I don't understand what people are saying about the theme/colors being childish or wolvden like, I play Wolvden more often than not and i don't agree with that statement at all. Lioden still feels like Lioden to me just fresher, newer and with new life put into it.
Of course, ya can't please everyone.

I honestly am very near sighted and have some issues sometimes with playing LD so this change would be nice however, maybe a toggle may be a good idea where you update the looks to be similar to the current look or maybe just mix the current with the new to kinda appeal to both sides. idk.

Another note is the CSS and all that which people use and are so used to seeing as well as the available themes to LD may be due to people being too used to what they have. I'm sure people will get used to the changes after some time but at least yall are nice enough to let us give you guy feedback to fix it as much as you can for the recode and layout update that you have to do to be up to par. ~

Either way, that's my two cents on this and i'm hyped for the future changes you guys are making to improve the game esp explore and hunting. ~



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AsuRam {Side
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Posted on
2023-10-14 21:59:38
After looking at it for longer i've concluded it really isnt as cluttered as wolvden is.
My only problem is all the rounded edges,,,
I like the fact that most of liodens boxes are square edges and only a few buttons are rounded and even then the radius of the roundness isnt too large.
The rounded edges make it look too childish and it seems overdone i suppose. The contrast of the square boxes and tables seem nicely balanced with the rounded buttons as it is now so maybe keeping that would be nice and might also declutter everything.

Im not sure if its just my settings or something but the navigation bar looks better when the words are in all caps, but thats just my opinion and it looks fine either way :]



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Red_Panda (#174265)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 22:33:54
I'm not a fan; it looks less appealing, I prefer the current version.



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✧|Tacatto|✧ Haze
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Posted on
2023-10-14 23:12:11
Honest and in depth comment about how I feel about it, as someone who has been playing for a while. Take this with a grain of salt. I am heavily neurodivergent! Change is not something I handle well and it genuinely makes me anxious. I have been on this site since 2013 so anything that is majorly changed will feel 'wrong' to me. It takes some time for me to accept big changes so no matter what I will not be a big fan at first, but it will grow on me! This entire thing might feel like a big nit picking brick wall but this is just how I feel so far. It is mainly just thoughts and ideas and honest opinions about how something is set up. That being said, I really do appreciate the hard work and no matter what I will still love this game.
Honestly no one had to read the brick wall as this is the real comment of how I feel:

(EDIT): Please please please move messages, modbox and wiki back to the bar with sb/gb on mobile! It looks really empty and it would be easy to miss messages if they are hidden behind the collapse bar.
TLDR: It looks ok-ish. I am not a fan of a lot of things about it, but I could learn to like it. I love the set up we have now. The new one does feel a bit more cluttered and a lot like wolvden. I never got into Wolvden because the vibe and look of it was too soft and sterile feeling. In it's current state I don't like it. The colors are sharper, which is not really a bad thing. The sharper colors paired with everything being rounded off makes it feel soft and less 'mature'(?) not really child-ish but just not the same vibe as we have now. I think the harsh edges that we have now is better and sets us apart. I think some things got broken into separate areas, when they looked better as a whole (markings now being separated from the base/eyes/ect). That might be the reason everything feels more cluttered now. We are used to some things being seen as a whole and now it is broken up into parts that can be seen as unnecessary. I genuinely thing it has potential and I am sure I will enjoy whatever you guys decide to do. This isnt something for me, it is something for you guys. Thank you all for taking the time to listen to feedback as well. No matter what thank you all for what you do for us. I am sure everything will come out great regardless. My biggest issue is Lion images being about 20% or so smaller on mobile(mentioned in mobile spoiler) and the buttons losing their unique coloration(mentioned in my Overall spoiler). Regardless of anything, I will still play the game when the recode happens!


(not gonna lie, this contains suggestions on rearranging and general appearance. I am adding spoilers because it is A LOT of words and it might not be the intended info you guys are looking for currently. I tried to comment about the things that I genuinely don't like, rather than the stuff that can grow on me.)
PC VERSION:



MOBILE VERSION:


OVERALL:

Thank you guys if you read this all. Sorry it is long and probably all over the place. Even if you didn't read this thank you for taking the time to read all the comments and what I had to say.



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Edited on 14/10/23 @ 23:48:03 by ✧|Tacatto|✧ Haze RLC (#25830)

Fire 🔥 🇵🇸 (#35734)

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Posted on
2023-10-14 23:34:29
adding onto my previous comment: I think if this new UI is added it should be imperative that it’s a choice for users to switch to it or not. I use both computer and phone to play and on both it feels very cluttered and overwhelming. On my phone, especially. The information is just way too long, way too much time spent scrolling. I really, really don’t wish to see Lioden changing to be more like Wolvden. I quit Wolvden because of how difficult and confusing it is. I enjoy accessibility features but in some ways with how overloaded the new UI is it feels less accessible.



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G1 4xRos Primal
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Posted on
2023-10-14 23:47:01
I too like this later layout muuchh better! The only thing that bothers me a little bit is where they heritage and info about lionesses parents and breeding are. Would prefer if they are higher up by the find a stud buttons so its easier to see and look over the heritage and parents

Otherwise i think its a good change and if does look okay on mobile and pc, though im not a fan of colorful themes.
The night mode is awesome to me!!!



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