Posted by -LOCKED - Additional Rarity: Exclusive Genetics
🌈Lucas FROZEN DO
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2023-10-20 15:31:45
Taking inspiration from an Exclusive Genetic Topic that went in a different direction, I decided to suggest my own version of this addition if it were to be added. This was on my mind before they edited their post earlier, as I had commented on theirs a while back.

I have seen multiple complaints as to how many bases are in each rarity and the limitations of only 4 rarities. So I am suggesting a new rarity called Exclusive based on Breed-Only Special bases. This is different from existing topics as those one focus on moving applicators to a new rarity or adding an applicator rarity.

On the wiki, you can see "NCL Exclusive" labels on Asali, Dhahabi, Maziwa, and Mobola. This implies that they are exclusive to, or only available from, explore lioness claiming. You could argue that breeding from a generation 1 stud with one of those bases isn't NCL-Exclusive, but it's origin came from the Lionesses claimed. It is also still only available from breeding.

The four existing rarities are the following and where they come from:
Common: Applicable, random, and claiming
Uncommon: Applicable, random, and claiming
Rare: Breeding, raffle
Special: Applicable, breeding, claiming, raffle


If Exclusive were to be added, it would include the following types of bases from the special tier:
Raffle: Bases that can not be applied or bred randomly. Exclusive to Normal and July Raffle Lioness breeding.
NCL: Bases that can not be applied or bred randomly. Exclusive to Newly Claimed Lionesses.
Maneater: Bases that can not be applied or bred randomly. Exclusive to August Maneater studs.
Groupie: Bases that can not be applied or bred randomly. Exclusive to May Groupies.
Combo: Bases that can not be applied or bred randomly. Exclusive to Combo Breeding.

Hybrid: Bases that can not be applied or bred randomly. Exclusive to First Generation Tigons and Leopons.

The above types are all exclusive to the individual sections. All of them can then be applied to the Exclusive rarity tier.

Exclusive: Restricted or limited to the person, group, or area concerned.

All Bases in Exclusive:



This suggestion has 7 supports and 17 NO supports.



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Edited on 20/10/23 @ 15:56:46 by Lucas G2 Basalt Pie (#229613)

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2023-10-20 15:37:34
Agree and support. We desperately need more organization for breeding and this is a step in the right direction, plus there's literal no downside to it as the exclusive tag won't change the worth of the lions either.



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🌈Lucas FROZEN DO
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2023-10-20 15:41:10
It also takes into account the "exclsuivw" tag for NCLs when you look at base genetics as well as lifting the weight off Special tier with how many it has versus the other tiers. Like one player said, Exclusive is to Special as Uncommon is to Common. Uncommon and Common have the same function, just spread out more with some differences (NCLs are restricted to common unless they are chased NCLs or the exclsuives)



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2023-10-20 15:41:41
this is good and correct but unfortunately wildly similar, including the name, to this already up suggestion:

https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429513856

sure, you have the exclusive bases being to BOs and this suggestion puts apps in that category but it’s functionally the same idea. rework with some tweaks and an original name and i’ll support



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Edited on 20/10/23 @ 15:41:53 by coolio 🍄┃maziwa (#149374)

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2023-10-20 15:42:45
This has already been suggested by Jester, using the same name. It's a great idea though.



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Edited on 20/10/23 @ 15:42:58 by ➵ sprout (#185560)

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2023-10-20 15:42:47
also, uncommon and common do not have the same function. uncommon and rare have the same function. making exclusive/special work in this way is also included in the suggestion i linked



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2023-10-20 15:43:42
Jester's suggestion was there first, this one will probably just be deleted, its better to note your suggestions/changes on Jester's thread as they have nearly 200 supports.



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Edited on 20/10/23 @ 15:44:42 by Fraekinn {Huge Giveaway!} (#57572)

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2023-10-20 15:46:30
Yes, but they want to change it to Application rarity. They added the edit at the bottom of their post



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2023-10-20 15:48:03
Yes, they want to make Applicator bases into Exclusive, and keep Special bases as the breed-only ones. Which makes more sense than... whatever this is - which is just the reverse of Jester's suggestion where breed only is called "Exclusive" when Special makes far more sense.



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Edited on 20/10/23 @ 15:48:44 by Fraekinn {Huge Giveaway!} (#57572)

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2023-10-20 15:54:33
A quick note that the tier could also be named applicator does not convince me that the two suggestions are different enough to be worthwhile



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🌈Lucas FROZEN DO
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2023-10-20 15:55:12
I've seen many players discussing the topic on which would kept to special and which would change to exclusive. Exclusive didn't make sense as "applications" due to the fact that when you here exclauive, most think super special and excludes others. If exclasive were applicator bases, why would it exclude common/uncommon bases that are also applicable?

Exclusive, to me, would make more sense as strictly breed-only as its only exclusive to certain criteria (not applied and not random) such as raffles or claiming or even being born on a hybrid.



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2023-10-20 15:57:35
Common: Applicable, random, and claiming
Uncommon: Applicable, random, and claiming
Rare: Breeding, raffle
Special: Applicable, breeding, claiming, raffle


I am truly nitpicking here, but uncommon bases cannot be obtained thru claiming NCLs unless the ncl is chased(which can include any base)

I'm also curious what you mean by "random" in the common/uncommon categories



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🌈Lucas FROZEN DO
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2023-10-20 16:00:15
Yeah I realised that when I commented earlier about common and Uncommon being similar with differences. Thank you for catching that

And by random, I mean you can breed any two bases and get a "random" base in those genetics or like Albino. A Witch x Witch will produce "random" bases or failed bases. Sometimes those randoms/fails result in rares



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Edited on 20/10/23 @ 16:01:33 by Lucas G2 Basalt Pie (#229613)

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Posted on
2023-10-20 16:04:40
no support on this sorry as others have mentioned jesters suggestion came first and makes more sense when you read it then whats going on here



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2023-10-20 16:06:20
Ahh i see, I think albino like you mentioned is only the truly random one since it has no set base requirements to appear, like in red x red breeding which can only produce reds or albino

Just wanted to get clarification, ty ^^



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🌈Lucas FROZEN DO
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2023-10-20 16:16:25
I could potentially tially remake this suggestion, if needed, and have it shortened. This was one of the original drafts I had made for it. I decided not to post it due to how short it was and how much I felt that it left out.

The current rarity system in Lioden has limitations, especially when it comes to special bases. To address this, I suggest adding a new rarity called "Exclusive" for bases that can not be applied or bred randomly. This rarity would include bases from the following categories:

Raffle: Exclusively available through Normal and July Raffle Lioness breeding.
NCL: Exclusive to Newly Claimed Lionesses.
Maneater: Exclusive to August Maneater studs.
Groupie: Exclusive to May Groupies.
Combo: Exclusive to Combo Breeding.
Hybrid: Exclusive to First Generation Tigons and Leopons.

These bases are currently unique to their respective categories but would all fall under the "Exclusive" rarity meaning that these bases are restricted to specific areas or groups.



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Edited on 20/10/23 @ 16:17:50 by Lucas G2 Basalt Pie (#229613)



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