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| Posted by | Make ALL combo bases year round (200+!!) |
 Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts  Posted on 2024-02-10 00:32:10 |
Edit: Lioden Devs: If you happen to consider my suggestion, please make it a community vote. I want everyone to be able to weigh in as clearly this topic has many varying opinions. I want everyone to be happy in the end, or at the very least the most amount of people happy. Why should we consider removing bases like pulsar/temporal/witch/mistletoe from their locked months? The essence of this post is that I believe month locked bases are harmful to the popularity of a base. Not only that, but month locked combo bases means that the quality of lions with the base tends to be lower outside of the breeding month. Avaliablity of markings and traits on month locked combos tends to be scarce when it comes to breeding only attributes. Tl:Dr I want to be able to do my harder projects year round. Having a combo base as the project base is hard enough, a month locked base is even harder! I'm sure other combo breeders can share this sentiment. Another point I'd also like to make is that Lioden is a breeding game, and I find it a little weird that some bases are locked to 1 month. While some may believe this increases the bases value, I find the value of the base both peaks and falls within the breeding month. Outside of it, the base becomes somewhat undesirable due to how it cannot be passed unless bred to another lion with the exact base. This means that getting the wanted traits onto your lion is super hard unless you put all your effort into one month of breeding! The solution is simple; remove the month lock. What if the prices go way down? What If the bases lose value or desirability? Won't the market be affected? Yes. The short and simple answer is that when any feature is changed the lioden market will be affected. However let me list some facts! At the time of posting there is: 5 temporals 7 witches 6 pulsars On the market. Of these lions genetics/bo traits variances are lacking. The reason? The inability to attempt breeding more bo traits onto them reliably! If they were normal combos there would be more variety. The prices of "common" or "less desirable" lions with the bases will decrease indeed, but that's a good thing! More people will be able to obtain the bases, increase the chance for more beautiful and unique lions feature the bases! What are some ways we can still keep them unique? I think the feature makes them rare! That's true! So here are some ideas. Make the bases weather/time based. Specifically witch and temporal could easily be combo bases that can only pass to their factors at night. If we change the bases to this, they would still fell distinct without being locked in 1 month for breeding. I may be a little bias, but come on. Combo bases are already hard to get. Why make it even HARDER? Please explain no support! The best way to support growth and understand in the community and seeing what is wanted/needing is by communicating! Constructive critism, suggestions, and ideas welcome! |
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🎄⛄ leon (#208511)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 01:00:57 |
I think I support. I'm really, really not fond of the month-locked combo mechanic, so even if they make them more attainable outside their specific month but don't quite unlock it somehow, I would appreciate it. Temporal is one of my top 5 favorite bases, and it's very unfortunate. At some point, traits are too much a pain in the ass, and even if people try to sell them for high, they don't usually get bought at that price. They usually sit and sit. They might appear to be valued at that price, but being listed on TC for a price doesn't mean it'll get bought or that's its value. People don't really want combos that are so restrictive most of the time. These are just my observations and it's also 3 am so I might be talking nonsense. Mostly I just want temporal to be feasible all year. Lol. Temporal x Temporal is brutal.  5 players like this post! Like? |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 01:04:51 |
Thank you!! The pass rates are awful, and because they can't be bred by factors it makes the lions with the bases undesirable outside of the month (excluding really high bos or rlcs) 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Talmoi (Side) (#20320)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 01:12:54 |
So much support, some great bases held back by date locks! Maybe a boosted pass rate for their specific months and a lower pass rate year round? it would keep them rarer but not impossible. I wish all combos passed themselves normally at a lower rate, I want the combo not a pride full of factors  10 players like this post! Like? |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 01:28:51 |
I dont really see a reason as to not support. its incredibly frustrating to breed month-locked bases, especially when it heavily relies on that base being on a king. plus, these bases would very easily go extinct if not on a king unless people freeze them. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Nexusyeen G3 Ferus (#290913)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 10:49:32 |
I think they can still be seasonal, but not locked to just one month. Perhaps divided into the four seasons, so that we get 3 months instead of just one to attempt breeding. Still, supporting either way. 13 players like this post! Like? |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 10:51:13 |
Thank you for the suggestion! I'd take 3 months as opposed to 1 any day. Making the July bases summer bases and the October ones fall would be an interesting concept! 8 players like this post! Like? |
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Kam 🐾 (Quitting) (#166463)
Protector View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 10:53:35 |
Hard support. I even think if they wanted to keep newer month-exclusive bases, and retire the older ones to year-round bases (ex. Keeping Witch as an October-exclusive, but retiring Temporal to year-round breeding), I think that would be a good idea/compromise, too. Like, do you know how much I want to breed for Temporal? I'm crazy about that base. I'd love to be able to breed to it without having to breed down any Temporal RLCs to be honest! 6 players like this post! Like? |
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Leomel0n.2||Snail cult (#306744) Remarkable View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 10:55:40 |
I don't support because I like how challenging it can be quite a lot! Maybe the combo base could be for two/three months per year and not just one ^^ For example, temporal being available to breed in October, July (because the event is heavily based on antique Egyptian gods and enemies) and idk, maybe January? That's what I think! I like the challenge of only being available one month but I understand if other people don't like this mechanic  (I POSTED WITH THE WRONG ACCOUNT AGAIN FJDJIDJD  my main is Leomel0n)Edit: I can't write  2 players like this post! Like?Edited on 10/02/24 @ 10:58:37 by Leomel0n.2||Medieval snail (#306744) |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 10:57:42 |
That honestly would be an amazing compromise! With the news coming out with the July base my friends and I speculated it will also become month locked. It's such a pretty base and I wish it could be a year round combo. However retiring old bases from month lock would be an amazing alternative. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 11:04:19 |
Leomel0n- I completely understand that! However in a breeding game I think barring some of the most popular bases to certain months takes away from that. As mentioned combo bases are already extremely hard to get as there is no reliable chance it'll pass. Outside of October or July, the pass rate chance of a Base x Base breeding is painfully low. As someone with a witch king, I get many people with witch lionesses who send me requests. I'd say at least 20 since I've had my current king. Of those 20 Base x Base breedings, I have had 1 natural pass. That's a 0.05% chance! Nearly the same as hybrid bases. That's pretty crazy considering hybrid bases still have a chance to pass naturally no matter the month (and they're VERY rare and hold their value well, sure, but there is always a low demand bc it's so hard to get.) Perhaps we can keep the game hard by making it so the chances are similarly low with all the factors. That way the base can still pass but it's just as difficult! (Sorry of this comes off as rude, I just want to cover my points well!) 2 players like this post! Like? |
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Avert (#416217)
Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 13:16:07 |
Just a bit of my own opinion here, but i actually appreciate the month lock, but maybe there could be a compromise where the rarity was fixed to be a little easier to obtain ^^ 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 13:27:44 |
Ill have to say support. Ive wasted so much effort on trying for a witch, done over 40 total breedings and had no luck at all. Most of those lionesses were quickly made choices who to apply the base to, because I simply had no time to find better females. And once the month was over, all that army of 20 something females I manually applied bases to just became useless.  Perhaps instead of being month-locked entirely, the bases would simply be a little easier to breed during their respectful months? And at the other times have the chance of normal combo base to appear, with a little lighter restrictions like, only be able to be bred at Night/Day, or only be able to be bred at certain season, etc. If wanting to keep the rarity higher so the bases dont devalue much, they can be combined Daytime with Season, too. For example, Witch can only be able to be bred at Night during Dry season, Temporal only be able to be bred at Night during Wet season, etc.  OR at very least, let the combo base pass with factors, if one of the parents is combo themselves? Like Temporal x Sunset, can pass Temporal outside of october, but Sunset x Unholy can only give Temporal during October itself. So they can at least reasonably stay in breeding and get traits bred on them. 15 players like this post! Like?Edited on 10/02/24 @ 13:35:55 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
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🎄⛄ leon (#208511)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-10 22:47:54 |
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🐍𝚩𝐚𝐢𝐳 𝐡𝐮™ (#454315) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-11 12:34:51 |
for witch, maybe make it night exclusive bc witches are out at night, not sure for the others tho. Moth locking bases is dumb imo 3 players like this post! Like? |
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Quit (#412633)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-15 22:02:44 |
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! I have a bast applicator from LAST JUNE that I haven't used yet, even though I LOVE bast. Why? Because bast is a factor for temporal, my all time fav combo base, and temporal can only be bred in october, and outside october its temporal x temporal only. Thats INCREDIBLY restrictive, as what happens if you don't play in that month? Something happened and you can't get on as much? Well then say goodbye to your temporal breeding season! Combo x combo for outside the month is so... demoralizing? Like its basically saying to just not bother breeding the base in the first place, since outside of one REAL LIFE MONTH you have to wait an ENTIRE YEAR to breed factor x factor. Which is why I suggest this add-on to the main suggestion: keep them factor x factor (or combo x factor ofc) within their specific month, BUT have conditions that can be met outside that month which allow for factor x combo, when every other time is combo x combo. Thats kinda hard to make sense of so I'll explain more with, lets say witch, using xanthic and haunted as example factors: Inside month: You can breed xanthic x haunted, witch x xanthic/haunted, or witch x witch for a chance at, you guessed it, witch, as you usually would. No extra conditions needed, happy witch breeding! Outside month, conditions met: Lets say the conditions to breed witch easier outside of october are night time, wet season. During wet season, nighttime, you could breed witch with any of it's factors (or another witch) to get a witch cub, BUT you can't breed factor x factor to get a witch, since it isn't the right month. Outside month, conditions unmet: As previously mentioned, the hypothetical conditions for non-october witch breeding is wet season at night. Lets pretend it is dry season, daytime. You could only breed witch with combo x combo, breeding combo x factor or factor x factor won't work, since conditions are unmet and it isn't october. Hopefully this makes sense and isn't a total mess 2 players like this post! Like? |
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