Posted by Breeding a Koi Heir, Advice Needed!!

KB BaeBee (#479461)

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Posted on
2024-06-28 22:23:38
Hey there friends!

I'm planning my first heir breeding project, and I need some major advice on how to do my best to get what I want outta this. The theme I picked is a Koi Fish!

Here's the clicky of the lion I'd like to sire from my current Main Male : Wardrobe Mockup : The idea is to get the Red Base on the heir and I can buy what I can and build onto that base but my current male is, well... big ole stinky
I'm not sure what NCL's skin bases I should be pairing him with to get the male I actually want.

I appreciate any suggestions/ advice /help on where to start. I know the items I'll just have to buy so I'm not worried about that, but I'm so new to breeding, I could use the help lol.

Update! :

First off… thank you for the replies! Already y’all have been so helpful.
You’ve helped me narrow down what bases and skins I should be looking for, I’ll be keeping track of the advice that suits the project best up here so I’m not losing track over time.

What needs to be bred…
Specifically the Tobiano piebald mutation.
A Red base, straight up just red lol
Red indri
White lace

What needs to be purchased…
Red points (marking app 3GB)
Red cozy (get in February )
Lycaon heavy inverted noctis (get in January)
Paradise eyes (eye changer 3GB)
Transvaal mane (mane changer 5GB)
Might need a Red skin (skin changer 400SB)
Might need a Red mane too (mane color changer 3GB)

I’ll be trying breeding combos with sienna, redwood, and mahogany, blush rose, protea, seth, and windfall. Before that I’ll try breeding piebald mutations from CRB’d lionesses. Hopefully they are male but if I get the Tobiano piebald on a girl I will not hesitate to change genders XD
I think I’ll king a different king before the final Koi king as well, being that big ole stinky is only giving me cream babies >:C

Items I need:
(This list is just for me to keep track of what I collect)

Expression: Delighted (Obtained!)
African Locust Bean Tree
Pussy Ears
Babiana Tail Wrap
Pussy Willow
Dragon Whiskers: White
Draco Whiskers: White (Obtained!)
African Clawed Frog
Locust-Ridden Grass
Windy (Obtained!)

Hypothetical family tree
(for visual aid of my understanding, please correct me if I’m wrong, I probably am)

Cyprese(big ole stinky) + NCL
-> A brown male was bred! Yippee!! Just need to king him when he's grown!
Red medium solid genetics + NCL red medium solid genetics
->
Red base + white lace lioness
->
Red base, 1M + red indri lioness
->
Red, 2M + red cozy lioness
->
Red, 3M + tobiano lioness or NCL
->
Koi Heir, after 5? generations?!
I might give another lions’ tobiano to the king but I kinda wanna be able to say I bred it XD

I’ve just learned of an item called a “crunchy worm” which can be found in the manticora event store. I’ll almost definitely use that during the last couple generations to help with the Tobiano hunt.



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Edited on 09/08/24 @ 19:52:58 by KB BaeBee (#479461)

KB BaeBee (#479461)

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Posted on
2024-07-12 08:42:01
Ah so just breed only then, not about to spend a bunch of GB I don’t have XD



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Brooke(*Frozen)! (#49097)

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Posted on
2024-07-12 08:45:01
Red cozy can only be applied durinb November event with piety 30 n lace red lace you can buy same with onyx lace?



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 08:46:53
I’m okay waiting for event markings, it’s gonna take me forever to breed out the breed-only parts anyways lol. Is the red lace the same as the red cozy, both in November?



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Brooke(*Frozen)! (#49097)

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2024-07-12 08:50:11
@Bee if u check wiki lioden click November piety markings shows u all available and red lace app can be crafted with 30 umganu herbs in monkey shop business crafting selection but onyx lace app comes from January event shop for 1000sb?



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 08:58:19
Are you sure it’s November it’s in? I couldn’t find any red cozy markings in Novembers list, just the Windfall set. Could be thinking of another month perhaps?



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Brooke(*Frozen)! (#49097)

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2024-07-12 09:01:25
@Bee ur right can be found red cozy on February event ncls sorry hun just waking up?



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 09:04:49
I found it too lol February is even better, be here sooner! Thanks for letting me know they’re breed-only, I’ll update my lil list!



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Brooke(*Frozen)! (#49097)

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2024-07-12 09:06:59
@Bee red points can be added marking app from oasis 3gb n mane changer pp from oasis 5gb for transvaal mane?



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 09:11:40
Yes lol surprisingly grinding the Gold beetles will be the easy part XD



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 09:13:46
I’m having a hard time finding the paradise eyes, are those breed only too?? Please say no lol



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Brooke(*Frozen)! (#49097)

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2024-07-12 09:17:42
Red skin from skin changer from monkey shop business cost 400sb



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 09:44:56
Lemme know what you think of my hypothetical tree @Brooke! I’m ready to be told I’m wrong lmao



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2024-07-12 10:59:18
Replacing the White Fawn with Lycaon Heavy Inverted Noctis makes kind of a cute look too Might be a decent backup appearance if you end up breeding a lion with the other two markings + the base!


Also, CRBs don't increase the chances of piebalds passing! They are their own separate roll with a 5% chance per parent iirc. Here is the mutation roll order from the wiki:
Leopon OR Overgrown Fur OR Tigon ➜ Patches/Piebald ➜ GMO Cow/Lion Meat ➜ Cotton Root Bark ➜ Fertility/Natural Chance ➜ Lion Scrotum ➜ Primal ➜ Dorsal Fur ➜ Tigon/Jaglion Boost* ➜ Mukombero ➜ Dorsal Fur Guarantee

The only thing a CRB would do is increase the chances of a random mutation excluding piebald, patches, primal, dorsal fur, and non-first-gen hybrids. It also rolls after piebald and patches, which means that if you have a single cub litter, and that cub is generated with a piebald mutation, the CRB won't roll at all. So if your goal is a particular piebald, it'd be fine to not use CRBs :)

I would also recommend saving the mutation for last! If you struggle to breed the mutation onto the exact heir you plan to king, you can king a lion with all of the traits except the mutation and then a lion with just the mutation. There is an option to keep your project king's appearance and get the mutation and heritage changed to that of the piebald lion! It costs 25 GB if done immediately or before 30 rollovers have passed since your appearance heir was kinged, or just 10 GB if it's been longer than 30 rollovers.



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cher [ennead
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Posted on
2024-07-12 11:03:10
If you want a Red base, your best chances are with Red Medium Solid bases. Look for Brown, Mahogany, and Sienna NCLs bc they have RMS bases

Also, Tobianos can be applied w/ the Tobiano MOD but they're expensive, or you can buy a Tobiano cub which is much cheaper. Both are more reliable than breeding for the mutation, and you can always mut rep your lead once you have the non-mut looks completed




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Edited on 12/07/24 @ 11:08:08 by cher [ennead enjoyer] (#434220)

KB BaeBee (#479461)

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Posted on
2024-07-12 11:15:10
@Terrinthia
Oooo I really like the noctis, is that something that’s breed-only too or another buy?
Thanks for letting me know about the CRBs not having an effect, that’ll save me a ton of time and beetles! I’ll switch around the order of my mock-up family tree.

@cher
You right lol I put the wrong genetics down, I’ll adjust that on the mock-up tree as well!

Thank you both for explaining that to me



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