Posted by Update Suggestion Board Rules

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2024-08-07 17:49:10

Update Suggestion Board Rules


Suggestions are loads of fun to create. There's hundreds to look through, and they're awesome to read and comment on as a community.

I've noticed a lot of "this isn't necessary," "this would be difficult to code," etc. While it's important to voice your opinion on what's added to the game it's equally as important to remember that we are not the final deciding factor in what gets added, or how.

Suggestions are just that. Suggestions. They may not be implemented in exactly the same way it's first presented - one idea can spark another. That's okay! Suggestions are posted to gain the feedback of the community, but they are not added by mass popularity alone.

It's important to remember voting yes is not a declaration nor a promise that you would personally use the game mechanic, base, UI change, QOL update, etc. It's about deciding if it would positively or negatively impact the game for the community as a whole, including you.

Voting no because "I personally wouldn't use this", "I don't breed this genetics group," "I have a different way of doing it," and comments similar are not helpful when trying to implement things for the broad playerbase. If you think something being implemented is detrimental to the game you can say that! Arguing that you personally would not use something does not speak for the playerbase as a whole. There's lots of great QOL/UI updates out there that not everyone will use but benefit a good chunk of the active players.

What am I suggesting?


I'd like to see stricter rules regarding the etiquette and commentary on threads. Telling someone their suggestion is useless to you does not decide for the rest of the site, nor the admins.

1) I do not believe people should be allowed to mention the potential difficulty in coding. This is entirely up to the admins to decide. There is no reason to flood suggestion comments with speculation on coding possibilities.

2) I do not believe people should be allowed to speculate how admins would feel about suggestions unless it is disrespectful (in which case you should be reporting the thread, anyway.) Simply give your own insight on whether or not a suggestion would negatively or positively impact you or the market.

What kind of comments am I against, specifically?

Comments about what isn't necessary for the experience on the site, especially when speaking for admins instead of in personal opinion. Again, it's important to voice your opinions and collect feedback. That's how we improve. What isn't helpful is speaking for the admins on what they would or would not add. Unless previously suggested or touched on and confirmed to be ruled out there's no point in saying this. If it was suggested someone found it helpful/interesting.

Telling someone something would be way too hard to code (or "too difficult", "more work than it's worth", etc.) I see this often. Phenomenal suggestions are shot down by their difficulty level rather than what it entails. As stated before, suggestions are suggestions and may not be added in exactly the same way. If admins saw it worth the effort they would either code it in or simplify it to be implemented more seamlessly. Users are not the ones doing the coding and don't decide what is and isn't possible.

Telling players to find other alternatives to their suggestion (i.e. through bookmarks, clans, or other means like community features rather than a built in function.)

This thread is not meant to discourage open discussion and player ideas through thread comments. I understand that sometimes great ideas happen in the comments. Friendly discussion about how best to include new features will always be welcomed.

Off-site inspiration


Other pet-sim breeding games have similar rules. I won't be mentioning specific names since I believe I cannot talk about other similar sites here (other than wolvden), but these types of rules are implemented already on similar games and I feel as though it makes for better suggestion discussion and community interaction.

Thank you for reading!



This suggestion has 26 supports and 7 NO supports.



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Edited on 07/08/24 @ 18:03:27 by tru 🐌 | ruffian (#462746)

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Posted on
2024-08-07 18:56:30
personal opinions are still valid feedback. if half of the active player base says "this is useless" then the suggestion is something that not many feel strongly about.
the suggestion boards arent only for the admins, they are for players to voice what they want to see in the game, discuss the possibilities and then topics are discussed by the developers.
many players do have understanding of how the sites coding works. its a 12 year old game and the code reflects that. there is an entirely new site that is in development due to this. coding problems are an issue, especially when there are certain topics STILL made that the admins have explicitly said "we cant code this". again, if players see something as difficult, not worth it, etc, they should be allowed to voice that concern.

again, suggestions are suggestions, but opinions are also opinions.


you can disagree with a suggestion. i dont think there should be any rule on what you can or can not say as long as it is respectful and on topic. the problem begins when people start to be rude. disrespectfulness on suggestion posts is common and sure is a problem, but moderators already respond to those issues.



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Edited on 07/08/24 @ 19:04:45 by mewflakes (#88492)

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2024-08-07 19:40:19
@mewflakes
this suggestion never said opinions aren't welcomed, it's specifically referring to things like "admins would not want this" or "this would be too difficult to code" (without admins confirming any of this). tru is right, there's no reason to be speaking for admins when making comments unless you're referencing something they've already said.
no where does this thread say you cannot say you wouldn't use something/call something useless, it's only suggesting those specific types of comments shouldn't be allowed because they are not at all helpful.

while "i don't use ____ genetics" or other "i wouldn't use this so no support" type of comments aren't at all helpful, tru was not saying they should be disallowed from being commented. only the coding/admin opinion comments were specifically recommended to be disallowed.



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Edited on 07/08/24 @ 19:47:19 by vertigoat 🦭 | 15BO vagabond (#120333)

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2024-08-07 19:56:07
@mewflakes
i agree! sharing personal opinions is valid feedback. i think we're running into a "what-if" here. if there's a massive negative response to the suggestion the likelihood of it being added becomes slim. as i stated in the original thread this suggestion is not to discourage players from sharing their personal opinions whether they be negative or positive.

i also think we run into a miscommunication in what i mean by suggestion boards and admin response. it's absolutely for the players! my mention of admins is entirely focused on the fact that players usually should not be speaking in place of admins. many of my friends have been playing this game much longer than i have, i've heard and have big hopes about the site recode! the timeline of this isn't exact, but it being on the table with much cleaner and fresher code will help to open up the possibility. i apologize if it came across as me saying players don't understand the site code, my intent was to say that players do not dictate how possible something would be if they wanted to add it (keeping in mind the eventual recode.) again, as i said in the original thread, it's okay to bring it to attention if the suggested topic is not a possibility as stated by admins. i understand that in #1 i worded this in a confusing way; i understand mentioning the difficulty to build on the idea and simplify or reduce the strain it would be to bring it in or to help the person who suggested it reconsider other possibilities.

my intent is not to quiet down opinions in the slightest. suggesting ways to simplify the idea in comments while saying that at its current state it is a difficult thing to integrate is not wrong, and not what i was trying to say. i encourage that.

disagreeing with a suggestion is bound to happen, as you've disagreed with mine, and i know that that is okay. as i said, "If you think something being implemented is detrimental to the game you can say that!"

i understand that these rules can be situational.



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2024-08-07 20:06:25
@vertigoat
it is explicitly said in the post "I'd like to see stricter rules regarding the etiquette and commentary on threads. Telling someone their suggestion is useless to you does not decide for the rest of the site, nor the admins." and "What kind of comments am I against, specifically? Comments about what isn't necessary for the experience on the site"
so i fail to see how that doesn't disallow people from voicing their opinions regarding personal opinion



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2024-08-07 20:11:46
i mean... yeah if you cut off the second half of the sentence clarifying "especially when speaking for admins instead of in personal opinion." (and following paragraph) then i suppose your point would make more sense but i guess it's a good thing the suggestion clarified that.



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Edited on 07/08/24 @ 20:13:05 by vertigoat 🦭 | 15BO vagabond (#120333)

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2024-10-29 18:26:44
No support. People should be allowed to critique the difficulty of a suggestion's coding and usefulness. People don't even give reasons sometimes so actual critiques about difficulty don't seem to harsh.



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2024-11-14 15:43:35
No support. Responses like those have been going on for years. If the staff had a problem with it they would've said something a long time ago. As for those who recommend alternatives, I definitely see nothing wrong with folks doing that. The staff have been promising male poses for many years for example of wait time. If there's already a way around the problem then why change it.



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2024-11-19 19:39:27
Support, people not supporting are just salty people who don't like be called out.



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