Posted by Elderly King Quest Encounter - Kill/Nat Reserve

Poachedegg (#208546)

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2024-09-17 17:07:13
I thought of this idea last night. I have been seeing lots of discussion about two problems currently on Lioden. The first is the over-abundance of lions of all types that is having a negative effect on the economy. The second one is the "Chased" NCL pool being flooded with potato NCLs. This change I am suggesting may help mitigate those two problems.

Introduction


As you know, we can sometimes meet an Elderly Lioness in explore who will give a special quest to claim 50 lionesses. This feature is generally well-liked by the community.

I propose to add a variant to this encounter. Instead of the Elderly Lioness, we can meet an Elderly King character who gives us a quest to either kill or nature reserve a number of lions (tentatively setting at 30). The quest will have the similar rewards as the Elderly Lioness quest.

How This Works


Just as the Elderly Lioness encounter has a chance to appear with a regular lone lioness encounter, the Elderly King has a rare chance to appear as a variant of lion battle encounters.

This means that the Elderly King encounter will not affect the chance of the Elderly Lioness encounter spawning. They are tied to independent events. If you would rather do the "Claim 50 Lionesses" quest you can always choose to ignore and keep exploring.


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You see the silhouette of a lone lion walking towards you from the distance. What could their intentions be?
> Fight him! (this enters you into one of the regular lion battles you can find year-round)
> Approach


You decide to take a closer look and slowly approach the lone lion, who stands his ground. Despite his apparent old age, this stranger exudes a noble aura that gives you the impression he was once a powerful king like yourself. The elderly lion dips his head to acknowledge you. "Greetings," he says, "now that I have handed my pride to my heir, I spend my days exploring and getting to know the other prides. You look like a capable leader. Why not pay the Quest Snake a visit? I am sure he will give you a task that will be a good exercise in leadership."

> Thank you, I am interested in the quest!
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Reasoning


Personally, the Elderly Lioness quest has been one of the greatest in-game incentives to mass-claim lionesses (the potential Lion Meat from the rewards is quite enticing after all). Unfortunately, I also end up chasing most of those lionesses because of territory space restraint, and because killing and nature reserving takes energy that can be used in exploring. When many players with this quest active are mass claiming and chasing NCLs, this floods the Chased pool and hurts the chance of getting an actual Chased that is bred by a player.

The Elderly King quest provides an alternative that does not have the same issue. It still encourages people to mass-claim, but instead of releasing those lionesses back into the Chased pool, those lions are deleted through Kill/Nature reserve. This can actually help clean up the current Chased pool as people hold onto the good Chased and get rid of potato Chased through the quest.

Additionally, it provides a much-requested opportunity to get rid of unwanted lions in their pride in masse and prevents the Giving Tree from being overloaded with cubs.

Additional Ideas


- Evil and good variants (kill vs. nature reserve) to this quest for kings who have different karma?
- For balancing reasons, I think accepting the Elderly King quest should lock you out of both Elderly King and Elderly Lioness encounters until you actually finish the quest. This is up to discussions though.

- Equagga|G2 Vagabond Splash (#105402): Have Great Tit and/or Red Cock as part of the rewards pool
- ❩ SiRah (#159527): Restrict eligible lions to adult females


Please feel free to let me know what you think and if there are potential pitfalls that I am not considering.




This suggestion has 67 supports and 0 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/10/24 @ 12:51:10 by Poachedegg (#208546)

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2024-09-18 14:54:33
I like it; the only thing is, since for all but two personalities this would cost energy [a total of 250, 2.5 bars] I would like to see slightly more valuable rewards. At the very least, removing the toy/food bundles from T2 would suit. I wouldn't want to use that much energy for a 100 SB item. (A nice alternative would be the great tit & red cock, since those otherwise are slot machines exclusives and everybody wants them available somewhere else.)



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Poachedegg (#208546)

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2024-09-18 16:58:52
Yes that is a good point! I was actually considering if the total number of lions should be lowered from 50 to say, 30-40 to slightly lower the energy cost.

And true having Great Tit/Red Cock as a quest reward would be the dream! I will keep those in mind as I polish my suggestion.



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2024-09-25 08:18:19
Considering that I do kill all those lionesses from the claiming quest, this seems perfectly doable. Support :)



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Osmanthus (#293908)

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2024-10-05 20:53:42
I really like this idea. I always feel a bit guilty when I chase off a regular ol NCL, but this would at least incentivize me to use the energy to Nature Reserve those girls



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⁑ SiRah
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2024-10-14 09:37:39
I keep March Personality Changer (Protective) on my Main pretty much always, so this would be a fun thing for me to do there as it would have 0 energy cost . ^^'

However, would it be possible/wise to restrict in to Female Adult Lionesses only- to better reflect the Lioness quest?

We can only generate so many adult lionesses, so if the restriction was paired with the already-suggested restriction of either the Elderly King or Elderly Lioness quest being active at one time & given stricter Territory constraints for Adults vs. cubs/adols we'd also avoid doubling up on rewards/too easy?

Adolescents & cubs count towards your Leaderboard lions killed or sent away tally, which is good for 'early cleanup' of fodder-worthy lions, so i'm not sure if this would complicate the coding at all but an adult-only restriction would help gear this quest towards actually reducing re-chased ncl instances as the first post mentions instead of just mass breeders cleaning their own pride?
I'm not complaining at all if you'd prefer it to be all ages removed of course as i'd be essentially generating in-game rewards for no change of behavior which would be fun. xD
I don't normally have enough clear Territory space to regularly complete the elderly lioness quest & it's not enough of an incentive above my breeding goals for me to prioritize the space, so i'd complete it a lot quicker if all sends were included & it could also be fun to have no 'negatives' of my chosen packed-to-the-brim playstyle.

Support (in case it isn't clear) <3



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Edited on 14/10/24 @ 10:19:47 by ❩ SiRah (#159527)

Poachedegg (#208546)

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2024-10-14 12:50:18
Thank you for the suggestion! Personally I would be okay with this quest having the same restrictions as the Celestial Portal from the July event:

To send a lion through the portal, they cannot be pregnant, nursing cubs, in a reverse breeding, set as a broodmother, offered in a trade, offered in a raffle, on a trade cooldown, cannot be frozen, cannot be secured, cannot be hunting, and cannot be patrolling. Cubs cannot be given up. Even if you chase a lioness's cubs, the mother is still considered as nursing until 5 days of cooldown pass.

^From the wiki. The coding hopefully won't be too hard because they can use the same filter as the Celestial Portal.

One downside I can see to this is that it won't help the Giving Tree over-saturation problem because cubs and adolescents are excluded. But maybe that is not a huge deal after all, since people are always free to chase cubs/adols with no energy cost, and those do not go into the chased NCL pool.

I will add your suggestion to the post. Ultimately I am ok with it being either way and will leave it up to the devs if they do decide to implement this quest



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⁑ SiRah
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2024-10-14 15:21:48
Sounds good! <3


Edit: The portal does allow male(?)/female adols as well but I believe your point stands regarding whatever minor adjustment that would be. Thank you for the well thought out main suggestion & replies!



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Edited on 14/10/24 @ 16:11:08 by ❩ SiRah (#159527)







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