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ellie (#483251)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts  Posted on 2024-09-18 12:12:55 |
Accidental trades have been a long standing issue. People accidentally offer too high, or accidentally accept a low offer or the wrong offer, or set the buyout too low... There are many, many ways to mess up a trade. The general consensus so far has been "aw, that sucks, but it's your fault." And yes, it is the trader's fault for not paying closer attention, but I think it would benefit everyone if there were extra steps involved to prevent this from happening. It's far too frequent an occurrence for mods to continue to not fix this issue. In general, at least one OPTIONAL* extra confirmation should be added to each person making an offer in a trade. This includes the seller and anyone making an offer. Sellers should also receive an extra confirmation when accepting an offer. * To mitigate concerns of "well, that would be annoying to go through every time I make a fodder sale," I would also like to suggest a way to disable this feature. In your den, where you can choose your other account settings, there would be an option choose whether or not you would like confirmations on trades. This would be on by default. The main issue that many people have, though, is the fact that you can't see which offer you are accepting with the current confirmation message. It asks if you would like to accept the offer, but does not show the contents of the offer. Misclick once and you're screwed. The final offer confirmation would also include both offer contents and trade contents, instead of just one. Something along the lines of: "Are you sure you want to accept (offer contents) for your (trade contents)?" (Thanks for the suggestion!!) [paragraph removed due to suggestions from others] If you have any criticisms, please let me know!! copy and paste for chat: https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429555566 in light of recent events, here is a petition to add optional confirmations to trades :) |
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frosìti 🪶 side (#230480) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:17:09 |
I think it should be entirely optional (voiding the last paragraph about currency limits etc, and also be off by default instead of on) as well as list what youre accepting. Something along the lines of: "Are you sure you want to accept (offer contents) for your (trade contents)?"  1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 18/09/24 @ 12:23:09 by frosty 🪶 (#229018) |
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ellie (#483251)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:19:26 |
ty for the criticism!! i'll update my post to take that into account :) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:20:49 |
I see no need for it, we have to confirm it several times already and it's extremely annoying sometimes, especially with a fodder trade as you've mentioned. If you fail to check when you get that confirmation message despite having to go to it, it is genuinely your own fault and having more reminders won't stop it - sure it'll reduce it, but it's not necessary. In the kindest words I can manage, just make sure to check it every time - get into the habit of confirming everything before you click the okay button. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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❄G1|Interstellar|1 0 BO|3x Ros❄ (#113758) Majestic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:21:11 |
So I mass sell items and sometimes have many dozens of items listed on TC so this would be a bit frustrating to me. I personally wouldn't like this option for Trade creation, but for the Rejecting/Accepting message on trades I think a confirmation would be nice! 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:23:08 |
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Fraekinn [Cons Cimm Ocey] (#57572) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:24:29 |
We already have confirmation messages though? I worked with a friend to get these so excuse the colour difference.     You even get a confirmation when you try and cancel a trade. 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 18/09/24 @ 12:25:15 by Fraekinn [Semi Hiatus] (#57572) |
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ellie (#483251)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:25:50 |
ricky: i think it has happened enough that having the option would benefit a large majority of the players, especially those who struggle with reading. given such a neurodivergent player base, it's easy to see how many people would forget to check and/or miss a 0 in their buyout cost sometimes. just because its not helpful for you and you can deal with checking again on your own doesn't mean everyone can  g1 daedal interstellar: like i said, there would be a way to disable the extra messages in your settings!! it's just a nice option to have for people who don't trade often and don't have everything down pat. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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ellie (#483251)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:28:04 |
ricky and fraekinn: you get a message checking, but not asking you about the specific contents. for example, if you have an offer for 500 sb and an offer for 350 sb, the confirmation currently doesn't tell you which offer you're accepting, so if you misclick, you would have no idea. sorry, i should have specified that!! thanks for the feedback, i'll edit my post now. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:30:39 |
"i think it has happened enough that having the option would benefit a large majority of the players, especially those who struggle with reading. given such a neurodivergent player base, it's easy to see how many people would forget to check and/or miss a 0 in their buyout cost sometimes. just because its not helpful for you and you can deal with checking again on your own doesn't mean everyone can" It's not about the issue of someone being disabled or being forgetful - I am both. If you fail to check your confirmation(s) then that is entirely on you. You have to go to the confirmation to confirm it, and by clicking that 'OK' button it should be a reminder for you to check the details. I also heavily disagree with a seller confirming a buyout - many trades are made by frozen accounts, meaning they can't possibly do that. Also, if a trade is bought out - it's bought out, there is zero need for the seller to confirm a user being able to buy their item - you put it up to sell it. I would support a suggestion to list in the confirmation what you are doing, e.g accepted a trade for X items, buying out a trade for X, rejecting an offer of X items. Simple alternative. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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ellie (#483251)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:43:27 |
hi ricky!! i'm glad you can do these things, but your experience with neurodivergence is not a monolith. :) sorry if it seemed like i wanted there to be a confirmation for a buyout!! i want there to be an OPTIONAL confirmation for when you SET buyout. i can clarify that in my post with an edit in a moment. i don't really see why this would be such a big issue if it's optional in your account settings /gen. it isn't impacting you if you can disable it, while helping others who do need or want it. it's great that you don't need or want it, but several people have expressed that it would be a big help to them, both in chat and with their support on this post. and yes, i have already included the confirmation list idea in my post. :) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:50:11 |
"hi ricky!! i'm glad you can do these things, but your experience with neurodivergence is not a monolith. :)" excuse me, but can you maybe not be so rude? I have not claimed that, nor do I claim that - I was stating that I am neurodivergent as by your comment, it appeared to be that you were suggesting I was not/was neurotypical and I wanted to make it clear i understood what neurodivergent people experience, and how certain groups can be forgetful. I am not making myself an example, and am sure as hell not making myself a 'monolith' thank you very much. "and yes, i have already included the confirmation list idea in my post. :)" i sent my comment before i saw you had added it! "i don't really see why this would be such a big issue if it's optional in your account settings /gen. it isn't impacting you if you can disable it, while helping others who do need or want it. it's great that you don't need or want it, but several people have expressed that it would be a big help to them, both in chat and with their support on this post." I am simply stating why I don't personally support it. I understand other users want it/need it, but personally I do not and have ultimately decided to not support the post. I would appreciate it if you could be a bit more accepting of that, as I have made my suggestion for the post to be edited to something I would support and feel would be tons more convenient, even for me as i have to scroll back down to make sure all the details are correct which can be a pain when having to confirm stuff! "sorry if it seemed like i wanted there to be a confirmation for a buyout!! i want there to be an OPTIONAL confirmation for when you SET buyout. i can clarify that in my post with an edit in a moment." additionally, yes this is what it came across as and what I was not supporting. Thank you for clearing that up, but there is no need to capitalise it /lh I will be unsubscribing from this thread now as I would rather not feel disrespected any further, as that is how I feel and would rather the topic not be locked. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 18/09/24 @ 12:51:08 by Ricky/Infinightive (#177615) |
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ellie (#483251)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 12:56:13 |
sorry, i think i misread. i thought you were saying that because you don't struggle with it, other disabled and forgetful people didn't either. i'm sorry that my tone came through wrong. i am autistic and struggle expressing tone. i used capitals to bring attention to the words, sorry if they seemed rude. i really am sorry about the tone. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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🔥King Jupiter🐉[Side] Project (#282997) Phoenix View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 14:01:48 |
So what I want a little clarification on is at what exact steps are you proposing for there to be extra confirmation? Just to lay out, here are the basic steps for sellers and buyers for offer based trades Seller: Create Trade -> Receive Offer -> Accept/Reject Offer -> (if accepted) Receive Trade Buyer: Find Trade -> Make Offer -> Accepted/Rejected by Seller -> (if accepted) Receive Trade So are you proposing there is an extra confirmation at the Accept/Reject step for sellers? And also buyers on the other side of that step? Are there multiple spots you are thinking could potentially get another confirmation check? Just want some clarity on what you're thinking about :3 0 players like this post! Like? |
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ellie (#483251)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-18 14:48:13 |
i'm thinking something similar to what happens when you send a gift. it asks you to confirm you would like to offer something, then has an extra confirmation popup with the exact contents. the gift one doesn't include the exact contents, just "3 items" or whatever, but what i'm suggesting would. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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