Posted by Ban Begging Trades

Raquiin [G1 x3 Ros
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2024-09-27 10:14:48
I think this is where to post this suggestion..

So everyone has probably seen those "1sb to hybrid" "please help me get a pon/gon" trades being put up year after year. I, for one, think this is just a different way to beg in Lioden, since you cannot do it directly in the chats. To me it seems like a loophole around the begging rule, where else can you ask for things that are worth so much more than your trade? The trade poster is only having to pay 1gb (or whatever they set it as) for something that is potentially hundreds of times more expensive than that.
You might be able to say that people offering on it are doing it of their own free will and know what they'd receive so therefore it's a fair trade, sure, but people actually giving beggars in chat what they ask for are also doing it of their free will without expectations, and yet begging is still against the rules.

I think Lioden should implement a rule similar to how they updated the rules for "free studs" a few years ago, since a refunded stud still required an exchange of money. Send out a notice for these potential flagged trades, that states they cannot essentially beg for hybrids through a convoluted series of trades. They should only be able to state a trade is for that specific item or currency, for a singular offer, not what is basically an auction for free stuff

e.g. "1gb for offer" instead of "1gb to Hybrid"

I hope that makes sense to everyone! Obviously they way it would be implemented and the criteria it would have to meet is up for the Lioden team's interpretation


I have played Lioden since 2019 and I've seen these trades basically everytime I log in. Not only is it annoying to see, it makes things unfair for the players, especially new ones, who want to follow the rules and NOT beg to get ahead. Everytime someone offers on these trades, it's only encouraging these people by showing them that begging works if you do it in certain ways, and it won't be punished.

⚔️TwoSwordsClash⚔️ TriRosRa's 2022 suggestion

Katze's 2022 Community Update addressing these trades - it never hurts to readdress the rules for trades that I think are essentially spam/begging!!



This suggestion has 34 supports and 11 NO supports.



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Edited on 27/09/24 @ 10:32:54 by Raquiin [G1 x3 Ros Solaris] (#177202)

Eric (#410875)

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Posted on
2024-09-27 10:18:06
I don't think this is necessary imo



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123heaven (#108477)

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Posted on
2024-09-27 10:20:24
Support! It gets tiring to spend more time @ TC hiding trades rather than looking through actual interesting things :(.



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🦚 Sakasu 🦚 G1
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2024-09-27 10:21:46
They've already addressed these types of trades(paperclip trades), last year or the year before.

Besides, 1gb to Hybrid isn't really begging, they're still trading stuff lol. Even if it's not ever going to actually work out. If you don't want to see them, hide them.



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ƃuᴉʇsnƃsᴉp[14
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2024-09-27 10:31:58
I came to say the same as Sakasu. I hate begging just as much as the next person, but I don’t consider this begging- it’s just a simple Paperclip challenge which people do allll the time (inside AND outside of lioden.) It’s not begging to mention the end goal, and I’m 99.9% sure not a single one of the people that post those trades expect for even a split second that someone would offer a hybrid on a 1gb trade. I support cracking down on begging, but this isn’t that.



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Raquiin [G1 x3 Ros
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2024-09-27 10:48:03
It's very interesting to see the ratio of supports on the two suggestions I included! I think there are a few things that are hard to concretely label "begging" but are still begging in essence. One example, saying "omg i'm so close i just need 3 more [...] for [...]" in main chat. You are not outright asking for items but people will interpret it that way anyway, and there's bound to be one who sends them what they want! I call that 'subtle begging' :-) That's why we're having this discussion of what begging encompasses!



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Edited on 27/09/24 @ 10:49:56 by Raquiin [G1 x3 Ros Solaris] (#177202)

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Ukame (#256269)

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2024-09-27 10:52:58
Yeah subtle begging in chat is absurdly blatant and irritating, but that's a different issue from the paperclip challenge trades



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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)


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2024-10-16 14:33:41
Most of the time they make such trades to get a offer worth more than their trade; that's the goal. Technically that makes it unfair to the buyer. I don't know what the staff were thinking when they said it was allowed.



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