I support this, 110%.

I often will pass on buying a lioness if she has 2 or more mane markings, because those markings take up space on her that could have held visible markings... and if I get any cubs from her, I don't want her mane markings passing onto her cubs & taking up space that could have inherited the stud's visible markings instead.
(Hope that makes sense.. xD)

But if this idea was implemented, I don't see any reason why I would avoid mane markings. It would be a nice compromise. ^.^

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I support, sounds like a needed feature!

But it should be at least 5 mane marking slots. 3 is sometimes not enough if you want a real fancy hairdo =P

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Thank you C:

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I love this! I wish I could do more for my studs mane, but I'm forced to choose better mane for better coat.

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Don't take this personally but I think that separating the markings would only serve as a workaround for people trying to get extra marking slots because rather than breed for a look many people would rather just have the markings for obnoxious reasons I wont bother to list. Which I don't support, I've always thought 10 was plenty, and a lot of times I look at people's lions and think they have too many.

I think the system is fine the way it is.

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"Too Many" is not very objective and is more opinion than based on fact, Kojika-Koi. Some people like lots, some less.

Mane markings would be only mane markings, no other mark could be listed under it. I fail to see how a "work around" would apply here. Please elaborate.

Since markings for manes only show on males, breeding for specific looks on females as well as mane markings would be difficult. More so since males are often less desirable as pride members and often chased or sex changed, if not made into heirs. If people are sex changing them, Lioden makes money on the GB spent to use a Sex Changer. Not to mention, customized males, rolled or bred, would offer more options as well as more cash flow through Lioden, which in turn is used support our Devs.

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You know, I'm probably going to catch a lot of backlash for saying this, but I don't think "more money will go into supporting the site" is a validation for every idea. If you follow that logic, the devs could release a rainbow lion base tomorrow, and 5 people may donate to spend GB on it which puts money into the site. Now anyone could say "well you don't have to breed or buy it, and I like it" yeah that minority may like rainbow-cat, but that doesn't make it a worthwhile feature.

It'd be one thing if the site wasn't doing well, but Lioden is doing just fine without this, and I would question just how much money one thinks would be gained from the time taken to put this in, plus support it in the future.

To expound on what I was saying, if you separate mane markings from regular ones so that they take up unique slots, then the regular marking slots are opened for more markings to be placed on a lion. I understand that "how many markings looks good" is an opinion, but at the same time I also believe that no one needs 15+ markings on their lion either just to have. My point is, I think the current system provides users with more than enough options without this feature being implemented, and that the better idea would be to learn how to balance the current system to one's needs rather than change every little thing to suite a taste that some people have.

For the record, I actually don't think this is a bad idea overall. Its well thought out and I wouldn't mind seeing manes given a little more flair, but I hesitate to support a drastic change like this. I think THIS idea warrants further discussion or some sort of balance with the current 10 marking system.

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Kojika, again its your opinion that there are enough marks to work with. A good portion of the player base that has posted here and voted suggest otherwise.

Three extra slots for manes would be conservative enough and still offer wider customization.

Yes, special features DO help Lioden!

If Lioden was easy to play without any kind of cash purchases, there would be no Lioden! More people invest in this game than you might realize. If you suggest that "Lioden is doing just fine" I would beg to differ. To retain paying customers, it is necessary to offer new options and products regularly. Lioden would get pretty stale if they didnt offer new things regularly.

Every month they offer more new things. GB does not create it's self, it must be bought. That being said, people spending GB had to get it somewhere. It was bought, and not just for Oasis items, but to also purchase new lions with special marks, or bases that are raffle/event only. In the end, someone somewhere had to buy it, it all traces back to an actual purchase transaction.

Its understandable you may feel the change is drastic. Our devs are very talented and are more than capable of tackling the challenge. Especially if it garners more GB purchases for mane changers and marking applicators.

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Again I'm really not hung-up about the GB purchasing bit, because whether this gets implemented or not, this isn't a feature that is going to make or break Lioden as a site that makes money. I know you aren't the suggester, but since you seem more passionate about defending this so, what do you think will be the repercussion of changing everybody's lions around to support this feature? Because as I said, to put this in would mean altering current marking slots, which opens up space for even more markings. And knowing how many times more markings slots, rarities, ect. has been a problem overall, what is the answer to that dilemma? Because that's a major problem I don't see addressed here.

So then just a few questions...

What happens to lions with more than 3-5 markings already in game?

How will the new mane system balance out lions that have only mane markings? Or lions with only body markings?

How will this impact marking overlay order and customization?

How will the new mane system balance markings that effect both body and mane?

How will breeding be balance out with the pass rate of the markings; two separate systems? The same way the 10 mark system works?

Not to mention the following that I don't think has being considered either. This would mean drastic changes to....

NCLs
Breeding
Lion Customization
The Lion Wardrobe
Scrying Stone

Every lion in the database
All current markings in game being reclassed to fit the new system.

This is what I mean when I say that while I think the idea isn't bad, a full overhaul to support the vote of 212 or however many people may not be the best solution. And yes, you could just say "we'll leave the devs to sort all that out just go with it" I think is somewhat unfair to them, when you make a by popular demand proposal.

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Its really not that difficult to consider what would need to be changed and the changes really arent as drastic as you seem to believe. A little creativity and thought can go a long way to asnwer your questions. Most of the basics are already in-game.

NCLs: Females would not show or need the marks, they dont have manes.

Breeding: Males would pass the mane, females would not. Sex changing would remove the mane marking box. Mutations already do this with an added display for their mutation.

Lion Customization: Would be an added feature, which is already partially implemented with the already separated mane markings from the body markings on the marking list.

The Lion Wardrobe: Again, 3-5 extra boxes can be added, just like with decor boxes that would display for males only. Females dont need to be changed.

Scrying Stone: Would not be needed for male cubs because they would not display on cubs under 1 year. Adols dont really show much anyway so there would really be no reason to alter the appearance.

How will the new mane system balance out lions that have only mane markings? Or lions with only body markings?

Lions with only mane markings would of course have only mane markings in their slots. Lions without mane markings would have plain manes of course, just like someone with a lion with no markings. The slots are still there, they dont disappear. However, the only difficulty would be to decide how many slots could be allowed. But in all honesty, how many lions do you know with more than 5 mane markings?

How will this impact marking overlay order and customization?

Markings on body and mane are separate and dont overlay. On manes it would still be the same as marking overlay on the body, slot one would be the bottom, and slot X would be the top. As far as customization, it would be the same as any other marking. Even marking applicators would not really need to be changed, just offer a new window on the applicator use page that only lists mane marks. Just like they do with event items that offer new options...like the food right now having a "Send to pile" button. They already separated mane markings on the list, a separate box would not complicate a whole lot.

How will the new mane system balance markings that effect both body and mane?

Im not aware of any marks that affect body and mane. Mane markings are strictly mane markings to my knowledge.

How will breeding be balance out with the pass rate of the markings; two separate systems? The same way the 10 mark system works?

It would be exactly the same as they are now with markings, a certain % will pass. Females would not display mane markings so they would not pass markings. Males would though, so a father would pass markings to their son with the chance of a % or no marking passed just like with body markings now. Again, this is already implemented in the game.

Every lion in the database

This has been done before. Rmemeber when they implemented the stats display? All lions got it, all 460 thousand of them. Its not impossible. Its a display change.

All current markings in game being reclassed to fit the new system.

They would not be reclassed so much as moved from one display to another. There are not that many mane markings vs body marks.

And knowing how many times more markings slots, rarities, ect. has been a problem overall, what is the answer to that dilemma? Because that's a major problem I don't see addressed here.

Rare marks will still cause people to delete oasis/mane markings in favor of new rare marks. So adding a section for manes is not going to change how people breed for rare marks. As it stands, many people, like myself, have 10 slots filled with no mane markings. How would that affect the gameplay negatively if people could add 3-5 mane markings? It would open up more slots on the body, but what about people who are already using 10 slots? Is it so bad that they get 3-5 slots for fancy manes? Especially if everyone had the option to use it? It would not be exclusive to only a few people.

Some people may not even use mane markings because they may like one color manes. Again, its an opinion that more (or less) marks means ugly lions. Its player preference. What this option does, is offer people more customization and wider variety. Whether they use it or not is up to the player. Just because its there does not mean that everyone will use it. Plenty of folks have studs with only a few marks, some have no marks at all. Its more about what the individual likes when it comes to the appearance of their stud.

To Quote Xylax..."We aren't adding features based on amount of supports. We already told you guys it's not a democratic voting board, it's a feature to tell us about your ideas. We think about ideas, if they're good, we'll add them fast, even if they have 10 supports. It's about benefiting the game, or the complexity of the suggestion."

Popular demand proposals are not game killers for devs or unfair. If they are good ideas, the devs will implement them, no matter the work load, if they feel it will benefit the game in the long run.

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I totally support, markings should have different slots, 10 for body, face esc, and 10 for the mane!

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I think it would also be useful if the markings don't pass or are recessive so they don't show up unless it passed on to a male cub. (Sorry if this is already part of it or suggested, I just kinda skimmed it cause I'm sick.)

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I'm a bit on the fence here. After reading the above argument, it's made me reconsider a few things. Like the fact that this on it's own would cause a rise in GB purchases I don't think is true honestly. x: Not just by implementing this on it's own. I'm probably going to be hated for this, but what if this was to be made a feature available only by spending GB to get it?

While it would be a nice luxury not to have to worry about balancing mane and body marks, it's just that - a luxury. So then I think it should be a GB only item. Then it really would boost GB purchases all around. While not every single person on Lioden would buy this (myself included) there are clearly quite a few who would be interested in having this happen. The only way I would support is if it's a GB purchase only like the cub stages.

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I highly support this. When I newer to the game, I was wondering what in the heck is this marking and why doesn't show on my lioness. I think the marking was white strokes and it turned out to be a mane marking. So, as said before, I agree on two seperate marking areas. And it might be good to have no more than 5 mane markings to work with. So that gives the lion or lionesses about 15 markings or less.

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I do like this suggestion, though I think it's been shot down before.

I dislike most of the mane markings to be honest. My current male has them because marking removers cost too much. XD They also don't show on my lionesses, but within my breeding project fora new king, it's hard to weed them out while trying to get other markings to pass.

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