I have read a lot of user complaints in the past few days about too many unwanted/unsellable cubs in the market. At the same time, I have seen repeated suggestions on how to curb cub breeding, and repeated reasons why it will not work/will not be fair. Please feel free to commen and correct any misinformation/unreasonable suggestions or to add one of your own!

Cub Curbing Suggestion: Implementing natural cub deaths would be a good way to realistically thin out the over breeding of unwanted cubs.

Why it Would not Work: Those who don't stud usually make their profit by breeding and selling cubs. Allowing failed births would upset both studding and cub selling; why pay a high price to breed to a stud if there is a chance you won't even get cubs out of it? And why breed at all if there is a chance all of your cubs will die and you will have to wait 20 days just to have the chance that your cubs will die again?

Cub Curbing Solutions

My First Idea: Naturally, 1 in 8 lion cubs will make it to adulthood. I have noticed a majority of players pleading for lioden to remain as realistic to life as possible. Because of this, and because I enjoy lioden for it's realism, I believe cub deaths should somehow be integrated into the system. But instead of 1/8 (or 12.5%) of all cubs dying, it should be at more reasonable 1/100-1/20 ( 1-5%).

"But Rose, you just explained above how implementing cub breeding will tank the economy. What is wrong with you?"

Well my darlings, this is where the original spin on my first idea comes into play. How do we solve problems we can't solve naturally? That's right, we make a new oasis item.

"Yeah? And how exactly would that help?"

Simple. The oasis item would be given to a lioness much like a gender changer or aging stone would be given to a cub. This item would prevent cub fatalities from insemination to the time a cub turns 2 years old. (If cub fatalities include wounds, illness, and predators-but if "cub fatalities" would only be failed births, then it would guarantee life until the time of birth.) This item would last the entire lifetime of the lioness and extend protection to all of her litters.

"I have 40 lionesses! I can't dish out tons of GB to keep all their litters from dying!"

No, you probably cannot. And neither can I. But, (correct me if I'm wrong), I doubt you breed all of your lions to profit, and even if you do, I doubt all of your lions sell. This will promote smarter breeding choices.

"What would you suggest for cost, and what would the item be?"

I would suggest a cost of either 1 GB per item, or a package of 2-4 items for 1 GB. If every lioness received one of these items, lioden would make over $45,000. If the package deal (less profit, but more reasonable) was the chosen way to sell these items, then they would still make $10,000-$20,000. (I know that not every player will have the money/want to purchase these, but I'm just estimating numbers) If the package deal was chosen, players with 40 lions would only need to pay 10-20 GB to ensure all cubs are born. And along with such a low death rate, many lionesses that aren't bred solely for profit reasons wouldn't even need one.

The item would be an African village totem of fertility and safety that was stolen. We do not have enough village-themed items, and I believe that is realistic as it correlates with the game because lionesses can hunt in villages.

"What about those who can't access GB/ don't want to purchase it?"

(This is a personal belief, comment if wrong) those who have GB are invested enough into this game for this to be reasonable, and those who can afford to buy GB with SB have been around long enough to make reasonable breeding decisions. (I'm aware this doesn't apply to all, but with such a large player gap it seems like those breeding desirable lions are of higher level while those flooding the market with undesirable cubs are newer)


Please leave comments asking questions, suggesting improvements, adding suggestions, etc. I know a lot of players are against this idea, but I believe I have suggested a happy medium so that realism is incorporated and cub curbing is reasonable.


If you support, please bump this thread. Unlike other threads suggesting new game developments, this is a suggestion to fix an almost out of control problem already within the game. Keep this thread at the top to get this problem taken care of!