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Posted by | Lioden Genetics Guide (revised 5/11/15) |
Alma (#7695) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-05-08 05:27:22 |
Lioden's new inheritance model is here, and because it's based on another model I proposed (the one you may have seen and voted on in a News post), I thought I'd create a game guide for it to help explain how it works. This new model focuses on four basic factors inherited from one or both parents: * Color Group: Black, Red, Cream, or Golden * Gradient: Countershaded vs Solid color * Shade/Range: Dark or Light * Rarity: Common or Special Unlike actual genetics, the only thing that matters is the visible color of each parent. Pedigree/heritage has no bearing on inheritance, and there are no recessive traits or "carriers": what you see is what you're working with. Here's what's at work in this model: The first factor is Color Group. In this model, a cub will inherit a Color Group from one of its parents. These are the 4 color groups in this model: If I cross two parents from the Black Color Group, then ALL offspring will come from the Black Color Group. If I cross a parent from the Black Color Group and the Red Color Group, I could get offspring from either the Black or Red Color Groups. If you're looking to produce offspring of a specific color, it is wise to breed parents from the same Color Group if not the same color; if you're looking for surprises and a wide variety of colors, breed two parents from completely different Color Groups. The next factor in this model is Countershaded vs. Solid Colors, and a cub's appearance will be inherited just like its Color Group (from one parent only unless they're both the same). A Solid color looks exactly as it sounds: the base color is completely or nearly the same throughout the entire coat. A Countershaded color is a base color that has more than one color in its makeup, and while most colors countershade from a dark topline to a lighter underside, others are lighter at the topline and darker on the underside while the most recent is shaded darker along the midline. Here's some examples of what this looks like: If both parents are Countershaded, then all cubs would be Countershaded; if both parents are Solid, then all cubs would be Solid, and if there is one parent of each type, then both Countershaded and Solid cub colors are possible. If I cross two Countershaded parents, then ALL offspring will be Countershaded, and two Solid parents beget Solid offspring. If I cross a Countershaded parent and a Solid parent, I could get Countershaded or Solid offspring. If you're looking to produce offspring of a specific color, it is wise to breed parents that match the same Shade as your target color if not the same color; if you're looking for surprises and a wide variety of colors, breed a Countershaded parent and a Solid parent, which will increase your variety DRAMATICALLY. The third factor in this model is Dark or Light Shade/Range. In this model, all colors within a Color Group are arranged into Dark and Light Shade/Ranges. The shade of the offspring is determined just like the other two factors: Dark Range Color X Dark Range Color = Dark Range Color Light Range Color X Light Range Color = Light Range Color Dark Range Color X Light Range Color = Dark OR Light Range Color I'll quote the original news post in regards to Rarity: "Rarity however is passed differently, and instead of simply being 50/50 between the mom or dad’s there’s only a 15% chance of a special cub per parent breeding. This means: If two specials breed, there is a 30% chance of a special cub. If one special breeds with a common, there is a 15% chance. If two commons breed, there is 0% chance. Furthermore, there are a few bases that require at least one parent to have the same base when breeding in order to be passed on. Those are: Celestial, Lilac, Sepia, Pearl, Blush Rose, Inferno and Hallowed. Those bases also have a lower drop rate than regular special bases." Albinos are somewhat different, as explained in Xy's update, "Albino genetics (are) still a random occurrence, but it has a chance of passing now if one parent is Albino, and that chance is higher if both are Albino." Sounds simple enough, right? Let's give ourselves a chance to get familiar with this system and put all these factors to work! Here are two example breedings: The second example shows how much variety a mismatched cross can give, so if you're looking for surprises, choosing wildly different parents will certainly give you that. On the other hand, if you're looking to breed a cub the same color as one of its parents, it pays to breed the desired parent to an individual of the same color or something from the same Color Group, Gradient, Shade/Range, AND Rarity. ... and that, fellow Lioden-ners (?!) is how Lioden inheritance works! I hope this guide has helped anyone with questions about the system to find the answers you were looking for, but if not, as I promised when I proposed my very first model 15 months ago, I will happily answer questions and help you find the best breeding to meet your goals here. Good luck and happy cub-making! For the next "installment" of my game guides, here's a how-to about breeding strategies: Successful Breeding for Specific Colors 3 players like this post! Like? Edited on 11/05/15 by Alma (#7695) |
Msasi (#21461)
Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-05-13 09:08:27 |
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Merciful View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-06-29 04:14:41 |
Okay. I know this guide is a bit outdated, but does this concept apply to the color of manes? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Msasi (#21461)
Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-06-29 04:35:31 |
Mane colors are not tied into the genetics system, no. :) I belieeeeeeve mane colors are just a tossup between getting mom's mane color or dad's mane color? They tend to pass fairly easily, regardless. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Merciful View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-06-29 04:38:20 |
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Ruthless View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-09-12 08:00:55 |
Is this guide out of date? My gray lioness' genetics are black dark counter shaded common, not black light :o What're my chances of getting a celestial cub from her and a celestial stud? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Alma (#7695)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-09-12 08:48:41 |
Yes, sadly, this guide was created prior to the Medium Shade update. 5 months ago, I changed jobs and I work over double the hours I used to work, so I haven't been able to update my guide(s) and charts to reflect the changes. I'll update when I find time unless someone else is up to the task. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Morr 🔥 9BOx2Mottx2RoS (#26583) View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-09-12 10:56:08 |
http://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429237951 an updated guide for anyone interested :) 0 players like this post! Like? |
Adakkin (#82330)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-13 04:36:37 |
So i just did a test of my lion roest, RD/C.Shade/ common with a BD/C.Shade/common female and i got a BL??? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Msasi (#21461)
Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-13 04:44:43 |
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Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-13 04:46:17 |
Msasi (#21461)
Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-13 04:49:09 |
Hm, that definitely should have produced only Dark cubs, then. Were either parent base changed after the breeding took place? Cubs are created at the time of the breeding, so if they bred, and then one (or both) were base changed, it would still produce cubs based on the original genetics. :o 0 players like this post! Like? |
Adakkin (#82330)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-13 04:50:23 |
Msasi (#21461)
Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-13 04:55:23 |
Hm. Could you link the lions - both parents and cub - in question (or at least provide their IDs)? Just want to make sure I cover all possible explanations before directing you to bug board. c: Edit: Oh, it was a test. Derp. y bad, I misread. So no cub to link. If you could link the mother tho, that would be helpful. Do you remember what base it said the cub would be? DOUBLE EDIT OMG - OH! I bet you got Albino, right? Any combination can throw Albino, as it is a random chance base, but it does have Light genetics. c: 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 13/02/17 @ 12:25:14 by Msasi (#21461) |
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Remarkable View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-10-22 04:49:15 |
Anyon (#134993)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-01-08 14:10:12 |