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Posted by | Warnings In Chat |
![]() Sisko (#43166) Impeccable View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-17 11:21:11 |
Chat rules should be amended so that if a user links an image, video or page that has potentially upsetting content, they must also include a warning so that someone doesn't click it inadvertently and get exposed to things that could really upset them. For example, if someone links to an image which involves blood or gore (real or cartoon) they should have to say "contains blood/gore" or "warning for blood/gore" or something like that. I suggest this for the protection of Lioden's most vulnerable users, and because it's a small, easy change that could stop people being exposed to things they don't want to see. Thank you for your consideration. |
D3an-The-Man (#39067)
![]() Naughty View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-17 11:41:16 |
Not sure how I feel towards this. Considering there is tons of blood/gore related things on lioden itself. Like ripped open carcasses and, more so during the march event, tons of bloody/ gore related things in explore as well. This is also a 16+ age game, and Im rather sure that most if not all 16+ people have watched action movies/ horror movies, or generally seen things with blood and or gore in it. If someone is really worried about seeing something bloody and or gore related, they do have to option not to click links in chat. I do understand that some people may or may not have easy triggers, but theres gore and bloody things on lioden. should all of these things have warnings? Explore encounters, event encounters, decors, ect? ![]() |
Sisko (#43166)
Impeccable View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 03:29:11 |
In an ideal world, yes all of these things should have warnings. This is not an ideal world, however, so it's the responsibility of the community to help protect its own members and it's the responsibility of the site to make sure that happens. ![]() |
Sheba; Sáracen (#52208) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 03:30:08 |
Support, but it'd be really tricky considering computers can't really do that effectively themselves and going through each single link and ammending as it's being posted would take aaaages ![]() |
Azzy (#9793)
![]() Blessed View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 03:35:56 |
I'm also not sure how I feel about this. As Lioden is fairly realistic, seeing the blood/gore of the carcasses should be assumed. Nature itself isn't pretty, and with predators like lions, it's usually more blood then not. As far as putting warnings on EVERYTHING with blood/gore - I don't think it's realistic, nor would it be something you'd find in an idea l world. In an ideal world, if that sort of thing triggers you, you wouldn't open yourself to it in a realistic, predator based website. If, while you're participating in game itself, and avoiding the forums, you get triggered by encounters/items/etc, then that's because you decided to make yourself available for the potential triggers of a predator based website. Especially since we can kill our own lions in a way of freeing up space. As far as the forums themselves go, I think that anything that would actually need a trigger warning would be breaking the general rules so... No support. Seems a little redundant on a site that is vaguely violent/bloody on its own. ![]() |
Seiden (#31503)
True King View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 05:25:07 |
No warning is needed for Lioden things. Lioden is a 16+ games, it's clear on it's gore content, and if you don't want to see any gore content, well, I guess you should rather play another game. Like, you wouldn't buy a game rated PEGI 18 blood+violence if you don't want to see violence. You would play another game instead. As for links in chat, well, if the members are posting the links in the only aim to trick other people, sure it's really not nice. But if it goes along with the conversation, then it's just your choice to click on it, as you know what you may find. People may say by their own if it does contain gore indeed, but I don't think this should be a strict rule, as, by registering on Lioden, you're already accepting to see gore content. As long as it's "correct" things, like, no eviscerated human kid or that kind of "hard" thing that wouldn't be legal anyway, I think there should not be any problem with gore things on a website like Lioden. ![]() |
shenanigans - [semi-hiatus] (#23653) View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 07:06:21 |
Ah, Seiden's argument, as well as that of quite a few previous users does make sense. However, I do err on the side of those supporting warnings, I think. I definitely like your argument on the part as well, Sisko. Though, what could and could not be censored could be debated as well. The food for lions shows images of carcasses with blood and guts shown on a lot of them! When there were images of animals mating for the February event (?) while likely for comic purposes, what if there were a LD user who had been in a traumatizing situation who would be reminded of it due to that image? Lioden's rules prohibit sexual material, but that is sexual material as well, no? Someone with PTSD might relive their worst memories over and over after seeing even a tiny bit of gore. Triggers can be very serious matters for many who suffer. Life, in general, is a treasure trove for triggers. That is why we should all do our best to protect those who would be upset by them from experiencing them. I can imagine how difficult it could be for someone with triggers to enjoy life in general while having to tread carefully in order to avoid potentially upsetting situations. It's a bit difficult to predict them, sometimes. It may not be easy to completely censor a site with individual users who may not respect or understand the reasons behind censoring, and it is easy for one to forget, considering the giant list of triggers. Anything, after all, could trigger someone. It often depends on the individual. It seems unfair that someone should be punished for their sensitivities when an easy solution could be added to remedy their . That could improve user's satisfaction with LD and its care for its users, as well as make it a safer place for those who want to enjoy the internet but have to be careful. Trigger warnings for topics, typically many of those in the Grown up Lions section, could have perhaps a special icon designated as a warning for triggers, or the option to omit them from view with the "hide potentially triggering content" option. Or, perhaps that option could branch off into different sections, such as gore/violence, sexual content, ect. would help. Even if they only covered more "popular" triggers. Have you considered expanding your original statement/suggestion? I hope my ideas make sense and were helpful! ![]() |
Sisko (#43166)
Impeccable View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 08:52:00 |
Im in the middle of a stressful move atm but I'll make a post addressing all your points soon! Thank you everyone for your input x ![]() |
Chieftains (#37687)
![]() Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 09:19:33 |
[ FYI, I didn't read all of the posts above and only skimmed them, but I saw pretty much the same thing being said so. :U ] Just because there is blood and gore on Lioden doesn't mean the entire community is okay with it. The poaching event is probably a good example since there were a lot of complaints about the elephant with its face hacked off; even I found that a bit disturbing, and I'm not very squeamish about blood and cartoon gore (I'm 19 btw since being 16+ somehow means you need to be more hardened about troubling images apparently lmao). Anyways. I don't know why you guys are bringing up Lioden's cartoon violence, blood, and gore when this suggestion is about linking to possible off-site images in chat that can potentially be triggering and upsetting to the users of the game (and not just the younger ones, mind you). This suggestion is also saying users should be giving warnings in case the images, videos, etc. aren't cartoonish. There's a big difference in seeing artwork of gore and real life gore. People are sensitive to topics that are sensitive in nature and that's not a bad thing. I don't think it's much of an inconvenience for anyone if they were to give a warning for things that can be distressing and triggering. There's not really a down side to it. Support. ![]() Edited on 18/06/15 by Koga (#37687) |
Sisko (#43166)
Impeccable View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 09:22:46 |
Thank you Koga. While it would be nice to have warnings for the gore/violence of the game art, this suggestion is specifically for offsite images linked in the forums and chat by users.Again I'll be online properly soon to address all the other points but I want everyone to be aware of the actual purpose of this suggestion. ![]() |
Seiden (#31503)
True King View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 16:21:50 |
As I said, I understand that you don't want to see gore offsite images, and it would be respect to warn about them. But if you really can't see blood and gore, you should rather quit Lioden anyway, and play a game that is good for every kind of public. Because we just can't remove every bloody thing of Lioden. ![]() |
Chieftains II (#37791)
Total Chad View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 17:42:39 |
Um, okay?? The suggestion is not talking about removing or providing trigger warnings for the gore and blood in Lioden's gameplay, but about players giving some sort of heads-up for off-site links in chat and forums. I don't really understand how you're getting those two things mixed up. This is Koga on my second account, btw. ![]() Edited on 19/06/15 by Tea (#37791) |
Axel (#6627)
Pervert View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 20:43:35 |
@Tea: I think the reason people bring it up is that Lioden itself has a lot of gore, o you do have to have some kind of gut to take it. And if you can take it, then you can take the gore and blood that people linking contain. Then again, I believe that there should be some kind of limit of how much blood and gore one can link. I can tell that the drawn gore is not quite the same as real gore and I myself would feel sick and affected by it if one shows me a real bloody corpse or a heavy wound. Drawn blood is not the same as real blood. ![]() |
Atalanta 🐾 (#61337)
![]() Astral View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-06-18 23:26:19 |
Sisko is going on about ONE IMAGE that was posted in chat and was, in fact, relevant to the conversation at hand. It had a minor bit of cartoon gore but nothing compared to what we see in the game itself regarding the hunts and such. It wasn't excessive. It wasn't real life or an actual person. To be honest, it was a Pokemon reference. I refuse to support this for the same reason many have posted. This is a 16+ website. If you can't handle it then there are many other games out there for you. ![]() |
shenanigans - [semi-hiatus] (#23653) View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-07-04 07:11:49 |
Yeah, sorry for getting off track there. Censoring/trigger warning issues would probably be too finicky to solve completely, but perhaps prohibitions/banning/guidelines of some sort for the sharing of more blatantly graphic images, such as screamers and NSFW art prohibited by the site, or excessive gore could clearly be put in place to prevent distress. There are quite a few users who suffer from anxiety and other disorders in general on this site, including myself, and for some, screamers can put lives in danger. They aren't very pleasant encounters the average person, either, I expect. I re-read the Terms and Conditions recently to touch up on art rules, and I came across this statement. I doubt much could be done seeing their stance on the matter as of now, but I do hope this suggestion sparks something. Maybe an optional outgoing link warning, or some way to indicate that a link wasn't staying inside Lioden? DeviantART used to have something like that, but now they have a small icon that appears next to links. If it can be coded to only appear when a link leads outside of Lioden, then that would probably help quite a bit if people learn what it means! "Lioden is not responsible for any emotional distress caused by any content on or by use of the site. Site staff tries its best to police the site for inappropriate content, but cannot guarantee the site will be completely free of it." ![]() |
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