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Posted by | [++] Eye Color Inheritance Model (9/23/15) |
Alma (#7695) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-09-23 14:53:50 |
This model was conceived by the marvelous Maulise (#32469) and I over a few months of chatting back and forth, and with the implementation of the new genetics model, we thought it was time to propose our eye color model, too. The basic concept of this system will be familiar to most of you, as it has a similar structure to the current base coat model. We felt that, because base colors have an inheritance system, eye colors should follow suit. Although a lion/ess' eye color makes up a tiny fraction of its actual surface area, many of us have come to appreciate eye color as a lovely finishing touch that can make or break the overall appearance and value of our pride members. Eye color is relatively expensive to change and can also carry high market value, and we believe that Liodenners would appreciate a model that would allow us to have some control over the inheritance of eye color while allowing for variation and even a slight chance to be surprised with a rarer form than either parent (Hetero eyes). With that said, this is the model we're proposing: Like the coat color inheritance system, this model uses the factors of Color Group (Warm, Neutral, and Cool), Shade/Range (Dark vs Light), and Rarity (Common, Special, and Hetero). These factors are inherited exactly as they are in the base coat model (based on parents' Group/Shade/Rarity only). Here is the organization we're proposing: You will notice that the Neutral/Dark/Special color, Charcoal, doesn't exist on Lioden. We're proposing it here because it not only fills out the model, but because we both like the color, which is based on a base field of Gray with a center of Jet. Commons and Specials could behave exactly like their base color counterparts, i.e. Commons have a higher chance of yielding Commons and likewise with Specials and Heteros (perhaps the same drop rate %'s could be adopted). Hetero could behave as the group commonly referred to as "Super-Specials" (Celestial, Blush Rose, Sepia, etc) where one parent must have Hetero eyes in order to produce them except in a rare circumstance discussed below. Sectorals could behave like Common, Special, or Super-Special bases, depending on the wishes of the dev's. Hetero colors are sorted by which color is listed first, i. e., Brown/Blue is Warm/Dark like Brown whereas Blue/Brown is Cool/Dark like Blue. Sectoral colors' placement are based on which color is most dominant/covers more surface area. Amber and Ice was placed in the Warm/Light Composite category because there's more Amber in the base layer than there is Ice. Glass and Jasper, colors that contain Brown, Blue, and Green, were placed in Cool/Dark because Green and Blue are Cool and Brown and Blue are Dark. Placement can be difficult at first, but once the categories are set, most fall into place rather logically! We have three ways in which this model varies slightly from the coat color model. * First, we'd like to suggest Hazel as a breed-only or customizable color that can be obtained by breeding a specific combination of eye colors together (we suggest Warm/Dark X Cool/Light, as Hazel appears to be a combination of both of these colors) or maybe Olive and Brown. Perhaps breeding two Hazel parents could yield a higher drop rate of Hazel in the offspring. It could also be attainable via an Eye Changer or in customized/Oasis individuals as it is now. - Jan. '16 addendum: while chatting about this model with Xylax, he expressed a desire to have certain eye colors be the result of specific combinations and not available simply by customizing. I liked this idea, so I came up with combinations for each group (warm vs neutral vs cool; dark vs light): Warm/Dark: Albinoid + Cognac = Tyrian Warm/Light: Bronze + Earth = Sunstone Neutral/Dark: Jet + Malachite = Charcoal Neutral/Light: Gray + Seafoam = Silver Cool/Dark: Green + Olive = Jade Cool/Light: Mint + Ice = Paradise Obviously, not all of these are necessary, but I wanted to give plenty of options, especially on behalf of the creator of these lovely colors (and a helluva pal to boot!). * Second, we'd like to propose a rare chance (perhaps as small as 2%) of Hetero eyes occurring in offspring of non-Hetero parents. Depending on the wishes of the dev's, there could be a correlation between the eye color of the parents and the type of Hetero that is passed on to the offspring. For example, if a Green-eyed lion is bred to a Blue-eyed lioness, any Hetero's born would have a higher likelihood on being Gr/Bl or Bl/Gr. Another method of determining what type of Hetero could be produced might include those in their Color Groups. Here's how this could behave: ~ Blue (Cool/Dark/Common) X Green (Cool/Light/Common) = Blue/Brown, Blue/Green, and Green/Blue ~ Sapphire (Cool/Dark/Special) X Green = Blue/Brown, Blue/Green, Green/Blue Ice/Sapphire, Green/Emerald, Emerald/Green, Sapphire/Ice ~ Sapphire X Emerald could yield the same possibilities as Sapphire X Green, but perhaps increase the chances of Hetero eyes that contain a Specials color, such as Ice/Sapphire, etc. * Third, Maulise really liked the idea of a correlation between Blue/Green and Green/Blue and Albino (also possibly White and/or Vanilla), which mirrors Odd-Eyed White in domestic cats. Perhaps the incidence of these Het's could increase slightly from 2% to 3% in a single-parent (Albino/White/Vanilla) breeding and perhaps increase to 5% in Albino/White/Vanilla X Albino/White/Vanilla breedings. Note: I'd like to refrain from suggesting any other drop rate percentages here because we'd prefer to leave that up to the dev's! We hope that this model appeals to all players the way it does to us, and we look forward to hearing your feedback! Thanks for taking the time to read this suggestion! {:o) |
Ivy (Main) (#2473)
Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-10-17 14:27:22 |
Poptart Feelzhands (#4675)
Scourge of Lions View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-06 16:17:57 |
Shad (#16848)
Wastelander View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-16 08:36:05 |
So much yes for new heteros ;A; And yup! We need an actual inheritance system for eyes,thank you! The only thing that i don't like here is the Emerald/Green combo.You almost can't see it D: 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 16/11/15 @ 15:36:53 by Shad [PFM] (#16848) |
Cyanide 🌒 {Cream Lover} (#27473) Interstellar View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-24 01:58:45 |
I think maybe red and crimson should be switched, but overall support. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Isabella Lena (#49545)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-26 00:57:18 |
What you shoukd add are all hetero combinations. Like: Dad has brown mum has cognac The childeren has change on: bron, cognac and the hetero of them(cognac/brown). And this goes for all colours. 0 players like this post! Like? |
mau | g1 6k frontal 3ros cel (#32469) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-26 01:13:07 |
Isabella, that would be too much, in my opinion- there really is no need for hetero in all possible combinations. With the amount of eye colors growing, that would be a lot of art to do, especially with how rarely some would pop up and be used. Also, a lot of eye colors are similar, and you may not be able to tell that the lion is hetero, with some. All of the heteros categorized above are ones Xylax already plans to add, we didn't come up with any of them. I don't know about Alma, but I personally dislike the idea of non-blue hetero, as well, so I'd not really want more of them added, haha. Additionally, this isn't an eye color suggestion topic - the only eye color added that Xylax didn't come up with is for fleshing out the model - Charcoal. Alma and I didn't really want to mix an eye model suggestion topic with a ton of eye color suggestions when there's no necessity for it ^^ That being said, perhaps make a separate suggestion for your idea, if that's something you'd really want to see in the game? It'd be more visible as its own suggestion, rather than a post on a topic ^^ 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 26/11/15 @ 08:15:50 by Maulise | Ill Floof (#32469) |
mau | g1 6k frontal 3ros cel (#32469) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-26 01:13:07 |
Alma (#7695)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-26 10:43:13 |
I couldn't have said it better myself, Mau! The way the colors (including Red and Crimson) are already arranged (Special vs Common) already exist in-game, and since there's no need to switch them, we're not suggesting moving them. These colors and het combos were spoiled in a livestream awhile back, so as Mau said, the only one of these that don't exist or aren't coming soon is our suggestion, Charcoal. There's a good chance we'll see more colors and hets after all of these are introduced, but there's already enough existing or coming soon, minus Neutral/Dark/Special, to fill this model out. As such, we proposed this model, primarily for the purpose of organization and more variety for eye color inheritance. We figured it'd be familiar, but not exactly like my existing base color genetics model, but with a touch of realism (the odd-eyed-white correlation) and even a breedable color (Hazel). We tried to make this model appealing in many ways, and we hope others like it as much as we do! {:o) 0 players like this post! Like? |
Lคᴅy S | Sٱᴅᴇ (#63637) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-11-28 13:09:24 |
I really like this, I get stupidly excited about which costs can come from which combinations. This would make it that much more fun when looking at my Prides future generations! 0 players like this post! Like? |
bluekat13 (#17890)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-12-04 16:48:26 |
I definitely think there needs to be genetics to eyecolors and ALL aspects of our lions! I fully support this! C: 0 players like this post! Like? |
Alma (#7695)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-12-05 06:20:44 |
Thanks, bluecat and Lady Shogun for your support! I'm glad you like the model (we, do, too). 0 players like this post! Like? |
Pink Kitty (#75516)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-12-18 02:06:26 |
Monochrome (#13321)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-01-13 17:43:45 |
I don't think hetero eyes should have colours other than blue/anycolour. It just seems unnatural. But, maybe, that one blue eye could be inherited, while non-blue depens on usual eye colour genetics? What I mean, separate them: a chance of getting hetero eyes (one blue eye), and normal eye colour inheritance (not taking hetero in mind)? p.s. sorry about my english, not my native language :c 0 players like this post! Like? |
Alma (#7695)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-01-13 17:52:56 |
Monochrome, Mau and I are proposing a model and an eye color only: the Het combos are spoilers Xy revealed to us in a livestream months ago. We're looking for feedback on the model only: the colors and combinations thereof are out of our hands, and everyone's opinions on Het combos vary. I'm not trying to pick on anyone, as we appreciate the feedback, but I don't want the thread to get off-topic. Thank you all for reading and for the support! 0 players like this post! Like? |
Alma (#7695)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-02-06 08:42:54 |
I've updated the chart, but I'll need to add more explanation of the Composite and Hetero placements later... stay tuned! {:o) 0 players like this post! Like? |