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Posted by | Studding: Superfecundation and Superfetation (100+ |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ π] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:24:26 |
Did you know... That among felines, canines and -- very rarely -- humans, it is possible for a female to have a single litter and that litter have multiple fathers? This is called superfecundation and I think it would be very interesting to add to the game. Realistically, when lions mate, a successful mating triggers the female to release another egg (barbed bits n' all). Lioden doesn't reflect this, but it could! A lioness, when in heat, could have a possibility of triggering another heat when successfully mated with. Maybe the chance of this happening starts at 50%, then drops to 25%, then to 12% with a maximum number of 3 triggerable subsequent heats (so 4 matings in all). The amount of heats triggered would not have any relation to the amount of cubs born. You would think that the male who mated first would have the highest chance of siring a cub on the lioness, but male lion anatomy is designed scrape out any competing sperm from previous males, so actually the latest male would be the most likely of subsequent heats to father any other cubs. The average litter is two cubs, or so I'm told. So basically it would work like this... The VERY first male to breed with her would have a 100% chance of siring both cubs. If a second male enters the picture, that chance drops to 50 for both males. A third male would drop it to 25%, with the newest male taking to 50 and a fourth male would drop the original 2 to 12%, the third male to 25%, and elevate himself to 50%. The final male, in accordance to nature, has the greatest chance of siring the most cubs. This is all optional, of course. If you only want to breed your lady to one stud, remaining breedings can be ignored. :) And now we get on to Superfetation. Superfetation is the act of falling pregnant while already pregnant and, again, is common in felines. Essentially, there is a chance of your lioness going into head again on her second day of pregnancy. Since VLF lionesses are special in that they have a chance in producing muties, I think the Superfetation possibility should be afforded to Goddess and, to a lesser extent, High fert lionesses. Basically, you'd see the pregnant and heat icons next to a female on her second day, and upon clicking on her you would receive a message that said, "This lioness has entered an extra heat cycle and can breed again whilst she is pregnant!" And upon breeding the default pregnancy message would read something like: "This female is expecting two litters from [insert lion name here]" or in the case of two different males, "This female is expecting two litters, one from [lion name] and another from [lion name]! She will give birth to the first in 2 days and the second in 3 days!" Superfetal lionesses require more nesting materials, and maybe have an extra five-day breeding cooldown period. A risk could be a premature cub, which would introduce Runts to Lioden, who could be penalized stat wise for strength and stamina but otherwise, still be able to King and Train (for males, though the cooldown would be longer) and breed for females (female runts have the capability of producing more runts). Thoughts? |
π opinicuss (#100335)
Nice Guy View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:27:38 |
this sounds super interesting! And with this, it would make Stud Racing much harder, which I'm kinda a fan of tbh, no more Stud Races.. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Pip {Ardor Primal} (#96747)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:29:34 |
I'm supporting this because the idea is interesting. I don't know how realistic it is for Lionesses- I haven't done that research, I only know that typically the two stay together until the lady's pregnant- but I do like the idea of it being awarded to Goddess fertilities, since they have essentially nothing going for them. That said, I would want this to be an extremely rare occurrence. Perhaps the rate that 1%'s actually produce mutations? Of course there's always room for tweaking, and I'm not sure they would want to implement it, but again I'll support it do to being intrigued. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Lalasa (#235)
Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:30:18 |
wen ♥ (#87091)
Cursed View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:31:26 |
I think this would be super cool! It seems like it might be a pain to code, though, keeping track of which cub has which father, dates of delivery and all that. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ π] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:35:25 |
@Pip Yeah, I was think it would rare as well, but I dunno, 1% seems a bit? Low? Maybe like 1%-5%, with it varying from individual to individual. Goddess ferts would hang more around 3-5% and High ferts would hang more around 1-2%. Sound good? Also thanks Fa and Opinicus! 0 players like this post! Like? |
Doods | Clean Sidereal [BLM] (#69126) Punk View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:37:55 |
This is a really interesting idea, I've heard it in domestic cats before but not lions.:) I don't agree with runts having more runts because there is no point to it really. I think you should only have the chance for one extra heat else it gets too complicated. A lot of things in Lioden are simplified down quite a bit. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ π] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:42:33 |
The runts would basically be just a fun feature of the game. They could also serve as proof that, yes, this lioness has a chance of superfetation happening. Granted you could used the ages of the cubs and prove the same, but Runts are an immediate and unmistakable sign that a goddess or high fert lioness can superfetate without crunching numbers. Speaking of crunching numbers, I'm thinking only Half of Goddess fertility lionesses would be able to superfetate. There's also a half chance they'll pass this to their daughters (sons could maybe carry it and pass it their daughters). High fert lionesses would have a lower chance: 20-25% of having and passing it to any high fert or greater daughters. Please consider runty cublets 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 20/01/17 @ 17:46:00 by Jackster [Prune/InfBlazFiery] (#98288) |
Doods | Clean Sidereal [BLM] (#69126) Punk View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 10:51:03 |
Selene (#92194)
Astral View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 11:15:00 |
Supported! This is an awesome idea and I believe would make players more interested in breeding/pregnancy. I hope it's at least considered! 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ π] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 11:33:01 |
Imagine gets a litter of four, then a lioness going into an extra heat, then getting ANOTHER litter of four. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Minimanta (#1684)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 11:38:22 |
I like it, could be an interesting feature. I support =3 But I just want to mention all lionesses can produce muties, not just VLFs. The chance without any mutie boosting items is miniscule for all of them, but is ever so slightly higher for VLFs but all of 'em can make muties. And this could be the same for this feature, but reversed. All of them could come into heat again but the higher the fert the more likely it is. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ π] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 11:43:09 |
I know. Still VLFs are valued for that reason, and Goddesses would be valued for this one. I still want this to be exclusive for them, so "Goddess" can actually MEAN something other than "gets pregnant on the first try always". 0 players like this post! Like? |
Minimanta (#1684)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 11:49:35 |
I disagree it should be exclusive for them because natural muties are not exclusive to VLFs. Goddess ferts should just have a higher chance at this just like VLFs have a higher chance of natural muties. This way goddess ferts will be valued for this and VLFs will continue to be valued for their higher chance at natural muties. Making it possible for all lionesses to come into heat again won't take away from the fact that goddess ferts will have the highest chance for it and that will give them value if you care about this, just like VLFs are valued for their slightly higher chance at natural muties for people who care about that. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ π] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 11:57:38 |
Well, Superfetation wouldn't be the opposite of higher mutie chance. Like you said, any lioness can make muties, so there is no trade off, no "inverse",. Like I said, the feature would make Goddess and High ferts more desireable beyond them simply costing less energy to breed successfully. Superfetation itself would only happen in individuals with abnormally high fertility, so good, average, low, and very low having it just doesn't make any sense. 50% Goddesses would have a 3-5% of two heats. 25% of High ferts would have a 1-2% chance of two heats. And, entertaining your idea: 15% of Good fert lionesses 10% of Average fert lionesses 5% of Low fert lionesses 1% of VLF lionesses. They would all have a 1% chance of twin heats. I still favor making it goddess and high exclusive. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Minimanta (#1684)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-01-20 12:06:28 |
No no, I know it's not the "opposite" of mutie breeding, just that it would be the "high fert perk" like mutie breeding is treated like a "VLF fert perk". And the chances could be much lower than that for the lower ferts, but that's up to the admins to decide. I personally don't have the brain to know what would be reasonable =P I just know I won't support it as a goddess/high fert exclusive thing. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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